Talk:2387

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[edit] Living Witness end of canon?

Isn't the current end point of canon 3074. "Living Witness" didn't involve time travel, so the events of that episode would not have been changed.Icecreamdif 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The events of that episode were not presented as an "alternate" or "possible" future, it was presented as "the" future, as in the way things happened if you followed the timeline from the end of Voyager's return to that point.--31dot 00:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately the date of "Living Witness" isn't specified and only approximated as the last scene takes place well after 3074. — Morder 00:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

True, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still the end point of canon, we just can't date it exactly.--31dot 00:28, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

True, we just won't have a last year of canon note...archiving here:

2387 is the current end point of the Star Trek canon, in that no films or television series have been set later chronologically than the events leading up to Star Trek; scenes set in later years have always been presented as parts of alternate timelines or as "the future," and therefore subject to change due to actions taken in the "present."

— Morder 00:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I could see perhaps putting the following instead, or something similar:

2387 is the current end point of known history in the Star Trek universe, with the exception of the Voyager episode "Living Witness", which took place several hundred years after Voyager's return to the Alpha Quadrant.

--31dot 00:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, 3074 is the last known date. — Morder 00:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

We don't know the date of the last scene, though, which was further in the future.--31dot 00:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, what I mean is we have listed 3074 as the last year known in that episode (though there is a scene beyond that that is unknown) so the proper note would go on 3074 and not here :) — Morder 00:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. Thanks. :) --31dot 00:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

 ? Sure needs work... :)

3074 is the last known date that takes place in Star Trek canon, in that no films or television series have been set later chronologically than the episode "Living Witness" although the episode does have scenes that take place after.

— Morder 00:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I've placed a brief note there in lieu of a better one, perhaps this discussion should move there. --31dot 00:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the 2387 events ... it is entirely possible for one timeline to continue after another is created .. that's why it's called "alternate" ... because there is more than jus the original ... not that the original has been "removed" in any way. -- Captain MKB 04:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This is talking about the prime timeline and it's been taken to Talk:31st century. — Morder 04:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Note that we're talking about this edit. — Morder 04:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Jellyfish

In the Star Trek: Countodwn comic book series, the the star that threatens the galaxy is the Hobus Star. The nickname for Spock Prime's ship is the Jellyfish.

This is for information on events not information about the star or the ship. It may provide information for details of the events but that's what individual pages are for. — Morder 00:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I see that sentence is there to provide context for the entry, but I agree that the appropriate place for that would be the relevant articles.--31dot 00:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)