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Just a quick note; there were two Oberth-class ships present during the battle (shown early on in the background).


I noticed a recording during the scene where the Enterprise-E crew are listening to the transmission of the battle of a woman saying "This is Commander Luxby of the starship Manson...", I do not know the class of the ship, but you can hear her clearly say it. Maybe we could do some research on it.--NavyAO2(AW) 09:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It's the USS Madison, apparently - Commander Ludwig. :) -- Cid Highwind 09:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] From Talk:Starships at the Battle of Sector 001

A good start and I look forward to reading the rest. I smell another featured coming on.

Shouldn't we need to include some more info on Borg incursions in Prelude? It starts by saying: the second incursion.

Perhaps, when we have finished more Borg incursion battles, we can make another one of those footers as we used for the Battles in the Dominion Wars. Like this:

Major battles including the Borg
Borg escape from Earth (2153) | First Encounter (2365) | Battle of Wolf 359 (2366) | Battle of Sector 001 (2373)

Some of those links are still to episodes, since there aren't seperate pages about the battles yet. -- Redge 22:37, 26 Jun 2004 (CEST)

Well, I would think twice about making articles about the first two items referenced, since they aren't really suited to a full-length exploratory article, IMO. -- Michael Warren 22:00, 27 Jun 2004 (CEST)
Would be better to include the second incursion (TNG: Descent). Another question: How about implementing a table in order to sort the images. right now the whole article looks a bit crowded and unsorted. --BlueMars 23:53, Jun 27, 2004 (CEST)
I've removed the image of the assimilated Earth from the article; IMO since the battle was already over at this point in the story, the part about the Borg going back in time is really just a footnote to the main account of the battle itself. Just IMO, anyway. :-) -- Dan Carlson 02:05, 28 Jun 2004 (CEST)

Should it be suggested that this shows the Federation's ability for homeland defense - zip? I mean, an enemy ship entered Sol. -- Neo Exelor

[edit] USS Reliant?

Would someone like to provide a little proof (dialog, visual) that there was a USS Reliant in Star Trek: First Contact? --Alan del Beccio 06:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

  • The USS Reliant page gives the info on why it is there.
This is a bit ambiguous. The Reliant page merely states the ship was present. Above this data is the line:
"This Reliant appeared in an early draft of the script and was not mentioned on screen."
I take this to mean this goes with the data from the TNG ep The Measure of the Man. Is it supposed to be from First Contact instead? If so, it should (by convention) be below the First Contact data. --Commander, Starbase 23 16:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A more complete ship listing for the battle

Hi All,

I just treated myself to the 12 DVD set of ST Movies Directors/Special Edition, and I watched the battle scenes from First Contact this morning. Here's what I found using the thoroughly useful "frame advance" buttons:

[edit] Ships mentioned in radio chatter

  • Admiral Hayes flagship, later destroyed
  • Endeavour
  • Bozeman
  • Defiant
  • Lexington
  • Madison

[edit] Scene 1 (Before Enterprise arrives)

  • 2 Oberth-class ships
  • 2 Miranda-class ships (closest one may have had the registry NCC-21183, but it is very hard to make out. For all I know, I'm actually seeing NCC-1864 and that's how the Reliant is listed as being at this battle!)
  • 1 Saber-class ship - damaged & drifting, nacelle hit
  • 1 Defiant-class ship (USS Defiant)
  • 1 Akira-class ship - exploded/destroyed
  • & the Millennium Falcon

[edit] Scene 2 (the Enterprise arrives)

  • 1 Defiant-class ship (USS Defiant) - abandoned, powerless & intact
  • 1 Norway-class ship
  • 2 Saber-class ships
  • 2 Steamrunner-class ships
  • 2 Akira-class ships
  • 1 Sovereign-class ship (USS Enterprise)

[edit] Scene 3 (Picard puts battle on screen)

  • 2 Norway-class ships
  • 4 Saber-class ships
  • 2 Akira-class ships
  • 2 Steamrunner-class ships - 2 exploded/destroyed

[edit] Scene 4 (Picard is about to order the Fleet to fire)

  • 1 Norway-class ship
  • 2 Saber-class ships - 1 exploded/destroyed
  • 1 Akira-class ship
  • 1 Steamrunner-class ship - damaged, saucer hit

[edit] Scene 5-I (looking at Enterprise)

  • 1 Sovereign-class ship
  • 1 Steamrunner-class ship
  • 1 Nebula-class ship

[edit] Scene 5-II (looking at Borg cube)

  • 1 Norway-class ship
  • 2 Steamrunner-class ships - 1 wrecked/destroyed, half saucer blown away; 2nd is indistinct, in top left of the screen
  • 1 Saber-class ship
  • 1 Oberth-class (in the top right as Enterprise moves in on the cube)
  • 1 Akira-class ship

[edit] Scene 5-III (looking at First Contact ships)

  • 1 Akira-class ship (NCC-63549)
  • 1 Norway-class ship
  • 1 Saber-class ship

[edit] Scene 5-IV (looking at First Contact ships)

  • 1 Akira-class ship
  • 1 Steamrunner-class ship
  • 1 Sovereign-class ship

[edit] Scene 5-V (as cube is exploding)

  • 2 Norway-class ships
  • 2 Steamrunner-class ships - 1 exploded/destroyed, caught in cube explosion
  • 1 Sovereign-class ship
  • 2 Akira-class ships


Going by this the Steamrunner class took quite a beating in this battle, with 4 ships destroyed and 1 damaged of 11 seen on screen.

P.S. Can someone tell me why this page wouldn't put in line-breaks necessitating all this space between ship classes? --Commander, Starbase 23 17:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Asterisks are your friend, I fixed it up for you ;) - Enzo Aquarius 17:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Excellent! Thanks muchly, Enzo, I appreciate it. :-) --Commander, Starbase 23 17:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conclusion

Assuming each of the ships could have been the same ones appearing in subsequent scenes, we have at least:

  • The Enterprise
  • The Defiant
  • 2 Oberth-class ships
  • 2 Miranda-class ships
  • 5 Saber-class ships (1 damaged, 1 destroyed)
  • 3 Akira-class ships (1 destroyed)
  • 2 Norway-class ships
  • 6 Steamrunner-class ships (4 destroyed, 1 damaged, and assuming the earlier damaged ones are not repaired and seen "as new")
  • 1 Nebula-class ship

Assuming each ship seen in each scene is a different ship, we have at most:

  • The Enterprise
  • The Defiant
  • 3 Oberth-class ships
  • 2 Miranda-class ships
  • 11 Saber-class ships (1 damaged, 1 destroyed)
  • 11 Akira-class ships (1 destroyed)
  • 8 Norway-class ships
  • 11 Steamrunner-class ships
  • 1 Nebula-class ship

With these stats, we should modify the number of "additional ships" for each class listed as being at the battle. 

 --Commander, Starbase 23 20:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Forum:Merge.. I want to merge a page into an other... how to start dicsussion

Hi. I want to merge the page Starships at the Battle of Sector 001 into the page Battle of Sector 001 because I feel that the page about the Starships in the battle should be listed in the page about the Battle.

what i want help with: how and where to start a discussion about mergin the page into the other page.

I don't want to merge it directly, i want to hear the opinion from the MA first before I do it. I hope that it is the best. please help me with this, you will get my gratitude.--Örlogskapten 22:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ps. I already started a topic in both pages talk-page...

Add the {{merge with|Other page name}} template on one page, and bring it up for discussion at the end of the talk page as to what you suggest is done. An admin will have to merge the pages to do it properly though. -- Sulfur 22:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

please, i can't make the template you told me to use for starting a mergin discussion work. can you please make it for me?--Örlogskapten 23:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think that this page should be merged into Battle of Sector 001 because this page is about the ships that fought in the battle. Can anyone please help me spreading this message on MA and starting a discussion? --Örlogskapten 22:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that the following text should be added to Battle of Sector 001, and becoming the merge:

The following is a partial list of Federation starships that fought in the battle.

Ship Name Registry Class
USS Appalachia NCC-52136 Steamrunner class
USS Bozeman NCC-1941 Soyuz class
USS Budapest NCC-64923 Norway class
USS Defiant NX-74205 Defiant-class
USS Endeavour NCC-71805 Nebula-class
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E  Sovereign class
USS Lexington NCC-61832 Nebula-class
USS Madison Unknown Unknown
USS Thunderchild NCC-63549 Akira class
USS Yeager NCC-61947 Saber-class

And at least:

This last starship was a CGI model of the Millennium Falcon slipped into the battle by ILM effects artist John Knoll.

Does anyone have a better idea or should we put this into Battle of Sector 001? I'm going to ask a admin to merge these articles on the 23th. Unless someone objects.. But please write even if you support my idea. --Örlogskapten 22:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


If we do, we should also merge Starships at Wolf 359 with Battle of Wolf 359, Starships in the Dominion War with Dominion War (or their respective battles), and Starships launched from Sol system, Earth dates 2123-2190 with Earth starships (actually, that should probably be merged anyway). We also have Starships visiting Deep Space 9 and Starships visiting Deep Space 9 in 2370 which should either be merged with each other or merged with Deep Space 9. --From Andoria with Love 16:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. We should also do those things. but one step at the time. can we merge this first?--Örlogskapten 20:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

All of these (re:Shran's list) are examples of pages that might exist if their content would be "too much" if put in the main article, but don't necessarily need to. In this case, I think that merging as suggested would be a good idea, because this list is rather short and there are only a few incoming links. That doesn't mean that all other lists should automatically be merged as well... -- Cid Highwind 18:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A True Victory?

The article makes it sound as if it were a hard-won victory for Starfleet against the cube. But I wonder if this is accurate, given that the cube's incursion was just a cover for the real objective. The cube may therefore have not fought at full capability, while at the same time not being too easy to defeat, which would certainty have made Starfleet smell a rat. Input?– Watching... listening... 22:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I would just say in the end we won since the Enterprise went back in time to thwart the other plans anyway. As for the actual battle, with Picard's help more damage was done to the cube than the Borg probably anticipated. So yeah, I'd say it's a clear victory. — Morder 21:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd also question this idea that the cube was only a "cover" for the "real objective", which I assume you mean the sphere and the time travel. I've always thought the sphere was just a plan B in case plan A, the cube, failed. --OuroborosCobra talk 23:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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