Talk:Borg history
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[edit] Seven of Nine references
This page generally needs work to include various data points mentioned by Seven of Nine throughout Star Trek: Voyager. Specifically, the section on the Hansens and the USS Raven ought to be double-checked by someone with access to the relevant Voyager episodes: I noticed that the article Seven of Nine says she was assimilated in 2356, but Erin Hansen says it was 2354. Someone who has a copy of "The Raven" and/or "Dark Frontier" should find out which is correct and fix whichever entry is wrong. --Josiah Rowe 23:35, 11 Mar 2005 (GMT)
[edit] List by dates?
I'd like to see this set up with a nice and clean 'list by dates' in the style of Ferengi history. Jaf 17:57, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)Jaf
[edit] Ktarian?
In the 2354-2356 section of this article it lists a Katarian male drone. Should that be Ktarian and if so, does anyone have a pic and/or the script reference? It could be helpful with the inconsistencies of Ktarian appearence. Jaf 01:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- You're right. It is Ktarian in stead off Katarian. It was difficult to understand while Erin spoke it and I did'nt know the correct spelling. A transcript of the episode listed Ktarian. I already changed it. -- Q 08:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Brunali
What are the dates given for the Brunali homeworld attacks? I don't have immediate access to the episode, but that should give us a few more years for this list. It may also shed some light on how long the Borg were using the transwarp hubs. Jaf 16:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- 9 years ago, 6 years ago and 1 year ago from 2376 ("Child's Play")
I think pna should be removed since all points have been answer and incorporated in article. Noman 19:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Time travel
"Timeless" has a reference to a "Borg temporal transmitter" according to its article. Maybe that should be mentioned near the "time travel was a one-time occurrance for the Borg" speculation? -- Andrew Nagy 68.44.13.236 21:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Intro Paragraph/Large TOC
I would like to see the introductory paragraph expanded before I support this article as being a "Featured Article". Perhaps it would be beneficial to move some of the content from the "Origin" section into the intro? With the "Contents" box so large, it looks goofy as is. Alternatively, should a compact table of contents be created/applied so that users viewing the article can see more of the content "above the fold?" Thoughts? Opposition? -Humuhumunukunukuāpuaʻa 16:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alternate timeline
This could use a section on the alternate timeline from Endgame where Redge is teaching the class on the Borg and Janeway has a book written about them. Jaf 20:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)Jaf
[edit] 24th Century
Hate to say it, but this entire section needs a complete overhaul. It does not flow with the other sections and is written in a sort of "story-time" fashion. This section is nothing but a bunch of episode summaries. Also, there is a lot of info not relevant to the borg. I'm willing to create an account to contribute, but I'll need help. Any takers?
The 2365 section is especially bad. It is written like a story where the narrator shares the context of the borg. For example, starting with the first paragraph, " In 2365, a Borg cube ... detected a starship. ... The strange vessel hailed the Borg ... After the Borg analyzed the information, they knew with whom they were dealing..." the actual parts spanning 3 paragraphs of garbage. The first paragraph doesn't make any sense period. It is cheesy, and doesn't match the rest of the article.
[edit] Origin of the Borg?
This is quite a creative idea used in the Star Trek Legacy game. It may be non-canon and non-accepted, but does it accurately explain the origins of the Borg?
- Probably Not, the borg were listed as having been around in no less than 1400 AD, and judging from how quickly 7 of 9 was identified, it is pretty clear they were assimilating humans long before v'ger was even an idea.--Fullphaser 21:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- V'Ger crossed space AND time. That explanation was probably what the writers had in mind with the borg for the probable voyager movie. Star Trek legacy was written in colaboration with star trek writers. It hasn't been made canon yet but that's probably the true origin of the borg. We should at least mention it. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.121.65.35 (talk).
- Put it in the apocryphal section then. It'll never be made canon according to MA, since it was a licensed product. -- Sulfur 16:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- V'Ger crossed space AND time. That explanation was probably what the writers had in mind with the borg for the probable voyager movie. Star Trek legacy was written in colaboration with star trek writers. It hasn't been made canon yet but that's probably the true origin of the borg. We should at least mention it. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.121.65.35 (talk).
[edit] Background
I feel kind of bad removing more info (an IP user correctly removed a pointless statement that Endgame was the last chronological appearance of the Borg), but I removed the following:
- However, in Star Trek Nemesis, Admiral Janeway light-heartedly commented to Captain Picard that he seemed to get all of the easy assignments, such as the Son'a and the Borg. This may imply that the Borg were not entirely defeated, although an alternative interpretation is that Janeway's mention of the Borg was merely a reference to the events of Star Trek: First Contact, like her mention of the Son'a from Star Trek: Insurrection in the same statement.
Janeway's statement was very obviously a way of referencing the two past films. I don't think we should offer "interpretations" that are clearly not intended. As such, the note is unnecessary. – Cleanse 02:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Why would she say this anyway? After her long and dangerous journey through the Delta Quadrant, discovering new alien species and battling dangerous enemies, such as the Borg, AND losing various crew members in the process, you would have thought that that would be difficult enough, wouldn't you? Yet she sarcastically implies that Picard and the Enterprise get all of the dangerous assignments. TrekFan 04:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- That has... what to do with the article? Not clear to me, thanks for explaining whether you're in support of removing the note. --TribbleFurSuit 19:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ambiguous, Roundabout Language
The language of this article needs to be rewritten. At times it seems to intentionally be roundabout, which is confusing. There are also many grammar mistakes.
Examples:
"In 2365, a Borg cube traveling near the System J-25, 7,000 light years away from Federation space, detected a starship. The sixth planet in that system, a Class-M, seemed to have the same characteristics as some Federation and Romulan outposts near the Neutral Zone. Their cities were removed from the planet's surface. When the Borg cube arrived, it scanned the unknown vessel."
If I had not already seen the episode, I would not know what is happening.
"The strange vessel hailed the Borg but they did not respond to it. Instead, they transported a drone to the engineering section of the unknown starship, right through the vessel's shields. The drone paid no attention to the lifeforms present and walked towards a com panel. Before he could reach it, a phaser shot knocked him down. Moments later another drone was sent and after he materialized, continued towards the panel. Again he was fired upon but this time his personal shield stopped the shot. The Borg had adapted. After the drone extracted information from the com panel, it reached over to the fallen drone and removed some components, after which both drones dematerialized.
After the Borg analyzed the information, they knew with whom they were dealing, the Federation starship USS Enterprise-D under the command of Captain Jean-Luc Picard. They also concluded that the Enterprise-D was unable to withstand them, since her defensive capabilities were insufficient. The Borg hailed the Enterprise and told them to not defend themselves as they would be punished for it, interrupting Picard's greeting, and they locked a tractor beam onto the ship. The beam held the starship in place and drained their defensive shields."
The writer has become a narrator of some sort here. Why the storytelling? Why especially from the point of view of the Borg?
AND...
"Despite this warning the Borg found Voyager entering the nebula again and they send three Borg cubes to intercept. Although the Borg fired their weapons, and even tried locking their tractor beam, Voyager kept moving on, unhindered. It seemed they were protected by some sort of new armor."
Why not just state that Admiral Janeway had modified Voyager with ablative armor? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.234.189.245 (talk).
