Talk:Borg species designations
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[edit] Personal list?
Just thought I'd note that I've been maintaining my own list of these at [1]; I checked this one against it and everything agrees. The only one missing (besides the non-canon stuff) was the Brunali, so I've added it. I'll make a note on my site later so people don't think this is a copyvio. DopefishJustin 14:15, 29 Mar 2004 (PST)
Would this article look better with a table? --StAkAr Karnak 12:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ferengi
How on earth did they get such a low number, with Ferenginar in the Alpha or Beta Quadrants, and the Borg having identifying and/or assimilating now over 8,500 separate species? Realistically, since the Borg can be expected to identify each new race whenever they come across them chronologically, this would mean the Ferengi would've almost certainly had to have had a presence in the Delta Quadrant way before they could've been there. I would vote it a misscripting, if I could. 1800 would be far more reasonable. -- ChrisK 01:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- There's no telling what happened, but in a galaxy with so many weird anomalies, transdimensional whatzits, subspace doohickeys, wormholes, people-stealing alien slaveholders, and so on, there are plenty of possibilities. It might've been a bad call on the writers' part, but then it also adds to the lore to have so many untold stories. Perhaps more surprising should be the idea that the Borg assimilated so much as a single Ferengi at all. Maybe that's why the low number was chosen . . . they were so far from perfection at that point in their history that even the Ferengi seemed appetizing. --DSG2k 05:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- In the DS9 episode "Prophet Motive" Zek is de-evolved to an earlier state by the wormhole aliens and as such possibly the Ferengi in a non acquisitive form are a little closer to perfection. As for First Contact between Borg & Ferengi who knows? Igotbit 13:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Basis
Further to the Ferengi thing, ts there ever any indication of what this numbering system is based on? Is it simply based on Borg first contact with the species in question? On the percieved threat level of the species? Average height to weight ratio? 172.188.245.102 13:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- The order that contact is made, I think. – Fadm tyler 15:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- As per the discussion below, not entirely logical either. :) -- sulfur 15:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Ferengi Species 180
I think I have the answer to this apparent anomaly. Remember the Barzan Wormhole from (TNG: "The Price"), the two Ferengi are trapped on the other side of the wormhole, in the Delta Quadrant. If the Borg encountered them but found them to be unremarkable and thus unworthy of assimilation, they would have catalogued them but left them alone. The only flaw in my theory is the time scale at which point the Borg were on number 180, but I cannot see any other canonical alternative. – Haemoclysm 13:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- The Borg apparently were around in the 2060s, based on their attempt to stop Zefram Cochrane and first contact, and use the interplexing beacon to signal the Borg of that time. How old are the Borg? At least 300 years as of Picard's time at J-25. How much older? Probably considerably, if the Borg thought their 2063 counterparts could successfully survive a trip from the Delta Quadrant through potential hostile territories. I would say the Borg are probably at least 400 to 500 years old.
- That being the case, the first several species numbers (the first few dozen?) were probably retroactively applied to all races that the Borg knew of before they became the Borg (before they collectively linked their people using bioelectronics?) and began their impersonal quest to improve themselves at the mercy of other beings' desires.
- The Ferengi may have ranged widely, without concern to any ties to homeworld (the ones who hijacked the NX-01 Enterprise must have been very far from home), perhaps prepared for nomadic existence for years at a time. Then again, some may have been caught in a spatial anomaly and moved very close to Borg home space, or been carried there by the Briori or some other race.
- I must admit, I find a classification system not very likely based on the numbers. Gcapp1959 07:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
