Talk:Cogenitor (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Difference between this and other ST episodes 3 Removed

WHATTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Manny Coto is mentioned NOWHERE in this article. B&B are of all things, and it's put me in doubt over whether ANY of the writing credits are correct on the episode lists. Someone should definitely RECHECK.

Rechecked. The episode was written by Rick Berman & Brannon Braga, as stated in the article. And may I recommend some neuropressure? --From Andoria with Love 09:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The background info section stated that Anthony Montgomery did not appear in this episode, but I just watched it and saw him in it (at the end when Archer is talking to the captain of the other ship) and as such removed the note.

[edit] Difference between this and other ST episodes

This is something not included in any other article, but I would recommend including a section about how different the content is in this episode from others. In any other episode, the captain of the ship would've granted the asylum and would have been the first to suggest that intervention should take place to assure the rights of the cogenitors and, if refused, they would work to undermine the culture or cease dealings with the species in question. Instead, the captain does something completely out of character for him or any other main captain in a ST series and then blaims Tucker for the cogenitors suicide when clearly it was the fault of Archer for not granting the asylum. Even in this series you see time and time again when the exact opposite action is taken, like in the episode "Rogue Planet". Universal rights for sentient species are always upheld, and even literally fought for sometimes, over cultural traditions. For instance, all those times in TOS when Kirk risked his life to free a planet from the influence of a computer, even if the people wanted the computer as their leader as in "The Apple". This episode was so out of the norm for ST that it almost seems non-canonical. (24.31.118.241 01:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC))

Indeed, the idea that it is better to be an ignorant slave than to be self-aware and free is goes against themes common in Star Trek (at least especially in TOS). For whatever it's worth, the captain's attitude in this episode is morally reprehensible, from the standpoint of individuality and self-autonomy. However, in later incarnations of Star Trek, there has at times been been a conflicting and subtle "we know what's best for the people," anti-individual, anti-autonomy theme. For example, the mocking portrayal of the Ferengi as an example of "what happens" when individuals pursue their own ends. There are other examples. This episode takes the anti-autonomy theme to the extreme.97.83.104.146 23:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

While those are interesting subjects to discuss, the purpose of MA is not to discuss the themes and aspects of the episodes.--31dot 23:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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Removed the following comment as speculative unless cited.

and Celestial Navigation and Mr. Willis of Ohio, which may be a reference to West Wing episodes of the same name.

I've left the comment about the Klingon ship's ability, but I'm uncertain as to its relevance to the episode, because it is not said that the writers made such an ability deliberately similar. Perhaps it could be noted on the page about the Vissian ship itself, as it is more relevant to that. --31dot 14:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)