Talk:Federation-Dominion Cold War

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[edit] Moved from "Talk:The Destruction of the Odyssey"

Does this one really deserve it's own article - in my opinion this event is minor compared to others, so it being mentioned on "Dominion War" might suffice? -- Cid Highwind 15:11, 1 Jul 2004 (CEST)

It may be minor by your standards, but I think that we should have a page, since it was the first engagment between Starfleet and the Dominion. However, we may need more info.-B-101

Doesn't need its own page -- just expanded under Dominion War I guess, and the USS Odyssey page fills in the rest. -- Dmsdbo 01:23, 4 Jul 2004 (CEST)

[edit] Cold War article proposal (moved from talk:Dominion War)

I'm curious there is some way we could splinter off the Cold War portion of this article and make it into it's own article? I've been looking over the The Destruction of the Odyssey article, which, by itself is a bit weak, and looking at how large the section is on the events leading up to the war are in this article -- I thought maybe we could do a little 'split, combine and expand' to make a "Cold War" article. In the truest sense of the term, everything taking place up to "Call to Arms" defines "cold war" - we already have one for the Klingons, so why not here?

I propose we create an article entitled Dominon Cold War to include all events which prelude the episode "Call to Arms". It could start with the events mentioned in "The Jem'Hadar" -- Battle of New Bajor, The Destruction of the Odyssey and merge them into the beginning of the article, followed by the events in "The Search, Part I" and II". Then include all of the Dominion attempts (direct and indirect) to destabilize the Alpha Quadrant, including a section with a link to Battle of the Omarion Nebula, the events from "The Adversary", and a section with a link to the Klingon-Cardassian War, the first Battle of Deep Space 9 and second Federation-Klingon War and all of the season 5 events, including the Cardassians joining the Dominion, non-aggression pacts, and work it up to the point where the Defiant is mining of the wormhole and Weyoun visits the station to discuss the matter with Sisko. At that point, we could find a smooth transition point and have it leave off where the Dominion War picks up.

In many ways this *new* article would expand on what is already mentioned here, and it would effectively separate the prelude to the War from the actual War itself. Since it is already a fairly large section in this article, covering a fairly large time-frame, creating this new article would concentrate the overall content of the Dominion War on the actual war, while the *new* article would help tie all of the above mentioned events together a little tighter and a little more in depth.

Although I am no stranger to the M/A adage "be bold" -- because this is such a drastic change to this article and The Destruction of the Odyssey, I wanted to bring it up here first for a few opinions before I start making moves and changes -- and to essentially keep the 'feather ruffling' to a minimum. If there are not any legitimate concerns on the matter, I would like to start work on the preliminary article as soon as possible. Thanks! --Gvsualan 22:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I started to type a long response agreeing with the idea but then it occurred to me that the Klingon Cold War, and cold wars in general, really lasted much longer than the lead up to open hostilities with the Dominion. The Klingon Cold War lasted for nearly 70 years according to its article, and the US-USSR cold war for nearly 50. By contrast the prelude to the Dominion War isn't nearly as drawn out and the events are much more direct. I think, actually, it would be better to rename the section header to ward off confusion. Logan 5 23:04, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Simply put, a "cold war" involves all of the conditions that occurred prior to the "hot war", including the fact that there was no direct widescale fighting between the two powers. Sure there were unprovoked and isolated attacks, but it was clearly described as a stand-off, as each were relatively careful about not getting caught on the wrong side of the border. This also was the case with the Earth Cold War and the Federation-Klingon Cold War. I don't think it is written anywhere that a prescribed length of time to transpire to officially define an event as a "cold war", short of calling it a "standoff". The uniqueness to this event was that the Cardassians joined the Dominion, and both pushed for war and provided the Dominion a reason to open up an all out war. Had Cardassia not joined the Dominion, that "cold war" could have lasted several decades as well. --Gvsualan 07:19, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A couple of suggestions. The title '(Dominion) cold war' while ok, could be something else, the Dominion was not really playing a cold war and was most definetly at conflict with the alpha quadrant. The header title of 'the Dominion conflicts' would be well understood.

A time line of important events:

• 2371
  • Destruction of the Oddesey-
  • the maiden voyage of the Defiant-
  • the abaondoned Jem'hadar-
  • The battle of the Omarian Nebula-
  • The events in 'The Advesary'-
• 2372
  • The onset of the second Federation/Klingon war (the klingon conflicts of 2372)'Way of the Warrior'-
  • Events in 'Hippocratic oath'1-
  • the events in 'Starship down'-
  • 'homefront' and 'paradise lost'-
  • 'return to grace'1-
  • the events in 'to the death'-
  • the events in 'broken link'-
• 2373
  • 'Apocolypse Rising' is important-
  • 'The ship'1-
  • 'Nor the battle to teh strong .. ." marks the last of the klingon/Federation war episodes-
  • the string of events from
  • 'Rapture'-
  • 'The Darkness and the Light'-
  • 'The Begotten'-
  • 'For the Uniform'-
  • 'In Purgatory's Shadow'-
  • 'By Inferno's Light'-
  • the situation as it appears in 'Ties of blood and water'1-
  • and finally the two episodes concluding the 5th season
  • 'In the Cards'-
  • 'Call to Arms'-

1 may not be important enough to be included.

just my input. thanks Wyobraskajackalope 02:11, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I support this. Make it so. Now. :P --From Andoria with Love 16:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relevant episodes

It may be useful to have a list of relevant episodes for the Cold War. I don't know enough about DS9 to create one myself, but would certainly vouch for "The Jem'Hadar", "The Search, Part I", "The Die is Cast", "The Adversary", "The Way of the Warrior", "Homefront", "Paradise Lost", "Broken Link", "Apocalypse Rising", "The Ship", "In Purgatory's Shadow", "By Inferno's Light", "In the Cards" and "Call to Arms" as a start. Kidburla 02:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)