Talk:In the Flesh (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 POV 3 PNA 4 Interrogation 5 More Nipticks 6 Species 8472 appearance

Anyone recognize the species in the background wearing engineering color, when Chakotay first meets Valerie Archer? Jaf 21:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)Jaf

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I think the prop used for the Vulcan book in the bar is the same one used for the Talaxian book that Neelix wanted to bring with him to his new quarters in "Night". Is there some non-speculative way to confirm this, and would it be worthy of mentioning in the "Background Information" section? - Ugliness Man 18:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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Did anyone else notice the advice Boothby gave to Valerie Archer? "Smile when you eat the gagh." Gagh is a dish consisting of live Klingon worms. So Boothby was telling her to "smile when you eat the worm"? A sexual double-entendre?

Unlikely. --31dot 16:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I would also question whether such a question is appropriate to leave here.--31dot 16:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Changed the question to be less explicit.

[edit] POV

I removed the following point-of-view comments. --From Andoria with Love 08:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems odd that Starfleet would offer Archer a position on a Klingon vessel. Perhaps this was part of the officer exchange program seen in the TNG episodes "A Matter Of Honor" and "Sins of the Father".

In another odd note, no one in the simulation questions Chakotay's unique Maquis rank insignia. Even if the provisional rank insignia is Starfleet issue and not something Janeway had created specially for the Maquis, it would inidcate there is something abnormal about the way the wearer earned their rank, which would surely prompt a question about why.

[edit] PNA

The act structure needs looking at - Epilogue definitely belongs in Act Five, for one thing. -- Michael Warren | Talk 15:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Aside from the epilogue, which is indeed part of Act Five (I fixed that), the act structure is correct; there are five acts.– Watching... ^listening... 21:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Put back the epilogue at the end. The last part can be considered such.– Watching... ^listening... 20:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interrogation

I can't remember exactly, but isn't there a point when 'Boothby' is interrogating Chakotay and he says 'Rank: Commander' even though he is a Lieutenant Commander? I know that Lieutenant Commanders are often just called 'Commander', but they are still two different ranks. Plus there's the issue of Chakotay never being referred to as 'Lieutenant Commander'. It seems like it would be a error in this context.– 71.104.36.124 03:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe Chakotay is a Commander. He is NEVER called "Lieutenant Commander", EVER, and the only reason people think he is a Lieutenant Commander is because of his rank insignia, which (a) hardly anyone looks at, and (b) they often get wrong, as we know. Therefore, all references to "Commander Chakotay" should be changed to "Commander Chakotay". Who agrees with me? Avengah 06:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I agree with you but unfortunately there's an awful lot of obsessives about who insist that, because he wears an insignia that no other character ever wears but which looks a bit like that of a lieutenant commander, he must be a lieutenant commander, despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary.– Skteosk 10:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Oops, my bad-just looked at the page on Chakotay and it does list him as a commander.Sorry, everyone.– Skteosk 11:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Nipticks

I removed the following nitpicks/POV comments (one was previously removed above). Memory Alpha is not a nitpicking guide:

• When Valerie Archer gives the vulcan salute, she has her thumb closed to her hand, not away as is proper. Tuvok apparently does not realize this mistake.
• No one appears to notice Chakotay's provisional rank insignia, which seems inherently unlikely that they would be using provisional rank in the simulation.

– Cleanse 03:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The rank insignia is hard to see on screen anyway, and let's be honest - who actually bothers looking at it, apart from obsessives? They are known to often get it wrong anyway, since no-one ever looks at it. Avengah 06:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• It has been speculated that Commander Valerie Archer is a descendant of Captain Jonathan Archer. Of course this cannot be definitely proven, as the character of Captain Jonathan Archer was created after the end of VOY.
• Since the recreation of Starfleet HQ is so perfect that it contains a duplicate of an actual person, Boothby, it is theorized that Archer, Gentry, and Bullock are also representations of real people in Starfleet at the time.
• The Starfleet Headquarters simulation isn't 100% perfect or up to date, as there are Ferengi Starfleet members in pre-2373 uniforms, even though the first Ferengi to enter Starfleet was Nog and he didn't do so until 2372, when the new uniforms were in use with Starfleet. Also, the mention of Pon farr Night at the Vulcan nightclub, and particularly that there will be dancing, indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of that condition, perhaps due to the extreme reticence of Vulcans to discuss or document the matter.
• The Starfleet cadets in the simulation wear the TNG-era cadet uniform that has a Mandarin collar and is black with a yoke of the divisional color instead of the gray uniform with a yoke of the divisional color that was later introduced in DS9. In addition, it does not have insignia for the cadet's class as seen in TNG: "The First Duty".

Some are nitpicks others are opinion and original research. — Morder (talk) 07:19, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Species 8472 appearance

This episode is the last time Species 8472 appears.

This is incorrect or at least too vague, Species 8472 appears 18 episodes later in VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me". This is only the last time they appear... how shall I put it ... "in the flesh" ? ;-) -- SaganamiFan 10:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)