Talk:Kes

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Contents 1 PNA 2 Quarters 3 Forum:Kes' birth year 4 typo

[edit] PNA

I added the PNA template because this article (and most of the other Voyager character articles) have a lot of information cluttered together. This info needs to be formated better. --Galaxy001 00:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

"It is interesting to note this event must still have happened in the alternate timeline. Since Krenim space is 9,500 light years from Borg space, Kes must still have pushed them there for the two races to meet in 2374. One can speculate that perhaps her leaving Voyager is where the two timelines diverged and that, had she stayed, her later problems would not have occured."

Where is this established in canon? -- 202.61.134.116

It was established in the season 3 episode "Before and After," where we see Kes as an old woman "jumping" to previous times and as a consequence getting younger with each jump. We see her come into close proximity with a Krenim temporal torpedo which had breached the hull without exploding. Since by the time of the season 4 two-part episode "Year of Hell" Kes had already left Voyager, she is replaced in an almost identical scene by Seven of Nine. --NME 09:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It is most certainly not established in canon. Kes has no extraordinary abilities in the alternate timeline. Some other event must have pushed them ahead of course, yes, but it was not Kes going all super-powery. It's been my theory that "Distant Origin" played out differently in the alternate timeline (meaning Kes would have never been exposed to species 8472), but that is also non-canon and has no place here. Note that Voyager gets oh-so-close to cutting huge swaths of the journey out about once every three weeks. There is no reason to expect anything other than one of those events playing out in a slightly more favorable manner. There is however every reason to believe that Alternate Kes never encountered 8472. --24.30.46.12 17:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quarters

Her quarters were on Deck 8 ("Twisted"). Don't know where to put this. If you add this to article, please state so here. -- Lt. Washburn 16:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I added it to the USS Voyager article which has a listing of the decks. --Jörg 16:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It should be here too, no? -- Lt. Washburn 18:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forum:Kes' birth year

I was looking at the Kes article, which says that she was born in 2370. In the episode, "Twisted", she turns two years old. However, here at this site, it is said that the episode named above is set in 2371. I have tried to change the date of Twisted many times to 2372 because it makes sense, but it gets reverted many times to 2371. I was wondering if someone could answer me about this, Thank you. --24.65.161.244 04:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe a better question/approach would be... do we have a definite year citation for her birth, or was the 2370 merely a guess based on other information out there?

As a further aside, when making arbitrary changes like that, it's often best to actually attempt to note why your change is being made, rather than just doing it and assuming that every other editor will understand the reasoning. :) -- Sulfur 04:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

How do I do that? --24.65.161.244 04:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Starting this discussion was it. The point I was trying to make (poorly) was simply that after the first revert, it should've been raised rather than going through the process over and over again. :) -- Sulfur 04:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

1. Kes' birth year is given as 2369 on Memory Alpha, and the year in which she begins her slip backwards throught time in the episode "Before and After" as 2378.

2. However, in the same episode The Doctor says she is 3 years and 2 months old. The episode is set in late 2373 (5 episodes minus the season finale), so her birth date is probably mid-2370 and not 2369. Also, she is 9 years old when she begins her time travel, so the correct year for that is 2379. Furthermore, when she travelled back six months, they give the stardate as 55836.2, which indicates that it's in late 2378 and six months plus would make the date of her start 2379 in any case.

3. Of course the writers has been inconsistent, but we should change her birth year to 2370 in my opinion.

--Ltarex 23:41, 13 August 2009 (EST)

The real question is does Twisted take place in 2371 or 2372. Because she is exactly two years old during that episode. Your assumptions on real years translating to star trek years doesn't work and are invalid as a result. Time within star trek doesn't always fit the real world. In one episode almost 3 weeks went by. So we can't use that as a base of comparison. With that said I doubt we could calculate a lot of character's birthdates...but it makes such little difference I don't think it matters. — Morder (talk) 22:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] typo

"Her requirement of multiple nitrogenated soil for her garden..." I'm not sure exactly what word is missing there. Could someone fill it in?--Gaeamil 21:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

More a case of an extra word i think. -- Sulfur 02:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)