Talk:Kobayashi Maru scenario
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- In 2371, Lieutenant Commander Tuvok developed his own variation on the Kobayashi Maru scenario on USS Voyager's holodeck as part of a training regimen for some of the Maquis crew members. In this test, Lieutenant Dalby was in command of the bridge of the Voyager, with Chell at the helm, Terik at Operations and Hanley on a console behind the captain's chair.
- In Tuvok's scenario, Voyager was at warp when it recieved a distress call from a Ferengi vessel. Dalby ordered Chell to alter course, aware that Starfleet regulations require them to render aid whenever possible. However, a Romulan Warbird decloaked. Dalby ordered the ship to open fire, even when a second Warbird decloaked. Moments later, Tuvok ended the holodeck program just as Voyager was destroyed. He criticized the Maquis officers, pointing out they should have retreated — that move having the best results at the lowest cost, even though it effectively meant abandoning hope of rescuing the Ferengi vessel. Dalby was furious at the idea of running away from a fight, and commented to Tuvok that the exercise proved that the Maquis officers didn't have what it took to be Starfleet officers. (VOY: "Learning Curve").
I think some of this info, though great, is a bit out of place here. Not all tests should be mentioned in this article. The first four paragraphs will do, though they could be rephrased here and there. The paragraph on Spock sacraficing himself is less relevant, but I can live with it. All the rest should be relocated to the appropriate articles. -- Redge 22:07, 23 Jul 2004 (CEST)
- I think the info re: Voyager should remain though, just to show that a modern equilivent of the test still exists, using holodeck technology. Maybe a two-line job just saying it happened, as opposed to detailling it? -- MiChaos 22:46, 23 Jul 2004 (CEST)
One question: what is the canon link between Tuvok's test and the Maru test? Did Tuvok mention Kobayashi Maru? Because based on what I read here Tuvok's test had a winning possibility: backing of. If that is the case, then the test was not a no-win situation and has therefor nothng to do with the Kobayashi Maru Test. -- Redge 23:34, 23 Jul 2004 (CEST)
- Tuvok commented that retreat should have been considered; we have no idea, and Tuvok never commented, if it would have actually succeeded in his scenario. But I understand your point - there is no canon link between the Maru test and this one. It seemed like a good idea at the time... -- MiChaos 23:43, 23 Jul 2004 (CEST).
[edit] Forum:Kobiyashi Maru no win situtation
August 7, 2006 Lt. Michio Kobayashi Japanese Imperial Navy, Dive Bomber pilot world war two. Served aboard the Japanese Carrier Hiryu. After the destruction of the Japanese carriers Akagi, Kaga and Soryu and their entire air groups, Lt Kobayashi was to lead an element of eighteen dive bombers and six fighters to attack an American Carrier force at Midway a numericaly larger enemy force! Attacking the USS Yorktown with this reduced force was in many eyes a No win situation known in Star Trek lore as "Kobayashi Maru" Lt Kobayashi dropped his bomb on the Yorktown though as one of the very few Dive Bombers in his command to reach the American fleet intact.
- Although this is interesting, this does not belong in Ten Forward. As stated by the following:
- On Memory Alpha, Ten Forward is a page where the members may gather to discuss various issues concerning the policies and operation of the wiki. It is not a place for idle conversation or off-topic discussion that doesn't directly concern Memory Alpha.
Though this is an interesting point which could be made as a small background note in the Kobayashi Maru article. - Enzo Aquarius 23:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- I have changed this from a Ten Forward forum to a Reference Desk forum. --From Andoria with Love 04:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Starfleet Academy
Should it be mentioned that the Kobayashi Maru scenario is present in the SNES/Genesis game Star Trek: Starfleet Academy?--Vercalos 08:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- it is?? i'll have to play through that now
[edit] Nog
How did Nog solve/win the test?
- It is never stated, but presumably he did not "win" the scenario, as that is made out to essentially be impossible. --OuroborosCobra talk 17:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
- well, if his method was "distinctly ferengi" he might have simply paid off the romulan starship captains, or possibly even paid them enough to get them to help rescue the damaged ship's crew, though impersonating a tal shiar officer might've worked Omnipresentgnome 17:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)