Talk:Oberth class

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[edit] Oberth class

Since the Oberth model as seen in the auction was still labeled as the Pegasus from its TNG appearance, which was also its next-to-last, can we now assume that the fabled USS Valiant NCC-20000 doesn't exist? Has anyone been able to find a picture of the model with this name and registry? -- SmokeDetector47^{( TALK )} 03:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

background note should cover it. let the reader decide.

"Let the reader decide" only works in a small number of cases. We are trying to be as accurate an encyclopedia as possible. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 05:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

but we don't know. so we can either pick an angle and go with it or put it in the background and let the reader pick.

We don't know "yet". Therefore, the correct action is to find the answer, not take the easy route. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 05:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure that is definitive proof. I made caps from one of the Trek DVDs that shows the Oberth with the Valiant labels. So clearly it did exist in some form at some state of production. --Alan del Beccio 00:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The only pics I've been able to find with an Oberth labeled as "Valiant" are at the bottom of this page [1] (from the Star Trek III DVD bonus features?), and those are of the study model and not the actual filming model (besides, there's no registry to be seen). Is there another DVD bonus feature that showed the filming model with the Valiant labels? -- SmokeDetector47^{( TALK )} 07:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

This is most likely the image that's being talked about, but it's of a concept model, not the filming miniature, and it's from Star Trek 3, not 7. --Pearse 19:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, that isn't image I was referring to, it was actually a complete overhead shot of the ship, and honestly, I can't recall where I originally saw it, I seemed to have deleted the capture, but it probably was from STIII, which still confirms my original statement, "it did exist in some form at some state of production." Confirming the registry would still be nice...--Alan del Beccio 19:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Valiant overhead

Here's an overhead shot I found on the Star Trek III DVD; however, this is the same study model shown above and not the filming model. -- SmokeDetector47^{( TALK )} 21:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Contact?

I've read on a couple of sites (namely EAS and TrekMania) that the Oberth-class appeared in the First Contact battle with the Borg and having read this article, FC is listed as one of the Oberth's appearances. Does anyone have a screencap or two of when it was shown? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by RedSavageWarrior (talk • contribs) .

No, but I can direct you to it :-) At time index 9.22, an Oberth-class swoops around the Borg Cube in the lower-middle to lower-left part of the screen. It also fires a phaser beam, making it the only on-screen appearance of an Oberth firing weapons. - Mada101 00:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

here are the ships --Alan 20:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately those werent weapons. As the Oberths are undervalued in combat, their commanders have developed space highbeams. These were used in an attempt to blind the Borg from the fact that an out of universe object (the millenium falcon) was attacking it. If they had assimilated that, who knows what would of happened. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.104.32.27 (talk).

[edit] Studio model

Perhaps we could move this into the studio model or even the Oberth-class article. It seems like this would be more supportive of the information on either of those pages (mostly the studio model page) than as a stand alone. --Alan 18:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Merge with studio model. --From Andoria with Love 05:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I merged it here, and maybe with a little more information, like some sources it might have some relevent content to add on the studio model page as well. --Alan 16:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Specialized Shields?

As a science vessel, the Oberth-class was designed with specialized shields, which allow them to push through gravitational wavefronts. In conjunction with this feature, the interior bulkheads were composed of victurium alloy to better facilitate shielding. (TNG: "Hero Worship")

Is this a canon design of all Oberth class vessels or just the USS Vico? Satyrquaze 18:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

La Forge says: "we'll have to push through the gravitational wavefronts -- just like the science vessel was designed to do." Was one ship of this class of science vessels designed thus, or was the very class of science vessels designed thus? One of those seems more plausibble to me than the other, but if you're looking for evidence rather than plausibility, then, take that as you will. --TribbleFurSuit 19:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)