Talk:Patrick Stewart

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Contents 1 IMDB 2 Monty Python note 3 Cat 4 Uncited "interview" content 5 Uncited info 6 Doctor Who role 7 Removed

[edit] IMDB

Is anyone bugged that you can take Stewart's career from IMDB and just recite it again here to beef up your article?

Yeah, I'm not too happy about just placing film and TV appearances in a list. If nobody else beats me to it, I plan on writing his film career into the article's body in the near future, although it will only include roles he has gotten wide attention for (i.e. the X-Men films) and those that feature other Star Trek actors. (I think what's been done at Rene Auberjonois and Robert Picardo are good examples. ;)) As for beefing up an article, there certainly isn't anything wrong with expanding the article with career info, especially for an actor who had been a part of the Trek franchise for 15 years and whose other works deserve to be noted. --From Andoria with Love 04:43, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I got rid of the word "method" in the description of Stewart as a "method actor". He's not. He's a classical actor. The "method" is a very specific school of acting popularised in the US by Lee Strasberg. Patrick Stewart's Old Vic acting heritage inherits more from Laurence Olivier, who was utterly contemptuous of the "method". As a general rule, Stewart's acting emphasises technique whereas "method" tends to psychologise and deliberate over notions like "character" and "emotion". It does little justice to Stewart to tag him as a method actor. FionnMatthew 03:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I just added a minor comment and a link under "Star Trek". Feel free to remove it if there is anything wrong with it, although I find the information given in it quite interesting. – Ambassador 00:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monty Python note

I removed the following info. While interesting (I'm a huge Python fan, myself), it's uncited and also doesn't really fit into the article at present,though I'm sure we can find a place... maybe add a trivia section or something. Assuming it gets cited, of course. --From Andoria with Love 21:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

According to several documentaries about Monty Python and several interviews with the Pythons, Stewart is a huge and very much devoted fan of them. He is also very good friends with them all and was a close personal friend of Graham Chapman. He is such a fan and friend of them that the Pythons have announced that if there ever was a reunion tour Stewart would take Chapman's place, Cleese believes it is what Chapman would have wanted.

• Ok, I found a transcript that explains he is a huge fan and that Python was a major part of his family's life. However, I haven't found anything other than a biographical bit at IMDb (which obviously doesn't count) stating that he would be a replacement for Chapman. --From Andoria with Love 21:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll go look for a citation, but the reason I put it under stage work is that if the Pythons did do a reunion tour with Stewart as Chapman's replacement it would be stage work.

• Acknowledged. And good point. :) --From Andoria with Love 08:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cat

Okay, I haven't been paying attention for a long while, but I do remember that back-in-the-days, that Stewart was a major cat lover, I remember a note in the newspaper about him and a charity for cats or something. Why wasn't there even one note about that in the personal life section? What about Bella? (and did Bella go back to live with Stewart after the divorce? I read that his beloved cat has to go live with his assistant because it was jealous of his new wife). - T'Sura 99.226.57.123 03:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

It might not be in the article due to how trivial it is to his personal life/biography. I hear Scott Bakula likes squirrels. Maybe we should add that to his article. :D --From Andoria with Love 04:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Really, does Scott Bakula have a pet squirrel? Donated to a squirrel charity? Bella, Stewart's cat, was found on the set of TNG, which is why I think it's relevant. Also, in numerous Stewart biographies, particularly the TNG era ones, his love for cats, and Bella, was mentioned.
Heck, the article as a whole looks thin. What about his interview for his part in Jeffrey, in which Stewart's troubled childhood was brought up, and that was why he was drawn to characters like Picard. In /that/ interview, Stewart also mentions that he sees Picard as a 'frightened child', a perspective I haven't considered before, when I was busy being disappointed by all the ways that Picard isn't Kirk. Should interview bit be in personal life, or career? - T'Sura 99.226.57.123 03:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I added information that was readily available when I went looking for it; the article is by no way "complete." Feel free to add whatever information you like. Just try to make relate in some way to Trek, if you can. :) --From Andoria with Love 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uncited "interview" content

Hi, I've removed the second sentence of

• Stewart also lent his voice in an episode of The Simpsons, playing a character named Number One. He once said in an interview that this comes in second place to things he is most proud of (first place going to his appearance in Extras).

The interview had been cited from his IMDB page, citation was replaced with incite tag a year ago. TribbleFurSuit 02:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I would actually like to read that interview. But, yeah, IMDb alone is not a valid source. Good job removing the note. --From Andoria with Love 04:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Stewart did say in an interview around a year ago about Extras "I think it was one of the happiest working days - half days - of my life." --Morder 05:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's a link- Youtube Interview --Morder 22:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uncited info

I have removed the following uncited note.

Stewart once stated in an interview that with every role he plays he starts out trying to convince the director that he should play with his typical Yorkshire accent. In fact there was a test screening at the very beginning of Next Generation in which Stewart played Picard with a French accent.

If another source for this information can be provided, the quote should be re-added. --From Andoria with Love 10:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor Who role

I removed the following:

It has been confirmed that a major role in Doctor Who is waiting for specifically Patrick Stewart, as they'll wait for him to use this character when his scheduele clears him enough time to film the episode the character will appear in. Him playing this character will mark the first time an actor who has played a major character in Star Trek, play a major character in Doctor Who (and one of the few times an actor who has played a major character in one science fiction franchise will play a major character in another).

Stories originating from gossip magazines and supermarket tabloids such as The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Mirror, The National Enquirer, and Star are not valid sources here at Memory Alpha. Thus far, these are the only sources that have reported the Patrick Stewart/Doctor Who story. When a reliable news source such as Variety, Hollywood Reporter, The Associated Press, or The New York Times reports it (as fact and not simply citing the tabloids), then it can be added to this article. Until then, it is only tabloid rumor. --From Andoria with Love 19:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed

Per handling of other actors I've removed Locutus from the Additional appearances section. It's not a new character or a recreation of an existing character it's just Picard as a drone. In the end it's still Picard. — Morder (talk) 20:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Totally didn't see this before I left the comment on your talk page, but as I said there, Riker wasn't Riker when he was hosting the trill from "The Host", even though it was his body. This is almost the same, as in Picard wasn't in control of his actions as Locutus. I'm not sure what other actors have been handled differently in similar cases. - Archduk3:talk 20:27, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you followed all removals before this one you'd know that we only remove when they play a completely different character apart from their standard one (holograms of their standard characters are still new characters). Even if the character's memory is erased or what not they're still the same person. Similar as how we don't have a separate entry for Seven of Nine as a borg drone. There may be actors that still have additional appearances that need to be removed but the issue still stands at only new characters not changed characters. — Morder (talk) 20:37, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Picard was considered dead after he was assimilated, and Locutus has a separate article, for good reasons. We do still have separate entries for some, mainly in the Voyager cast. When was it decided to remove the other ones? I definitely want to read that discussion, as Seven is the exception rather that the rule IMO. - Archduk3:talk 21:21, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Here's one — Morder (talk) 21:25, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I have to admit I'm on the fence on that one, but the deciding factor to me would be Kurn wanted to be Rodek. Picard didn't want to be Locutus, a different personality was forced one him, which makes the difference. An outside force was controlling the body, as opposed to a person just acting without their memory. - Archduk3:talk 01:24, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Depends on your point of view. You could say that Kurn had no real choice in becoming Rodek else he would die, thus it was also forced upon him. The actor didn't play a new character in either case, they played an altered one, whereas other examples they played a completely different character. Looking at it that way it's harder to debate the finer points (such as memory loss or forced change) and makes the lists consistent otherwise what's to say that we don't put kirk as Kirok just because he lost his memory. Similar situations in all but the end result is Rodek is not a new character, Locutus is not a new character and Kirk as Kirok is not a new character. They're all the same with some memory loss :) (though picard didn't lose his memory just had his control taken away) — Morder (talk) 01:32, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

And before you say it - I would remove Sargon, Janice and the other one from Kirk's listing as well since they follow the same pattern - but I'll wait until this discussion is over. If you really feel that the policy is wrong we should discuss it in the forums. — Morder (talk) 01:35, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

To the forums then! :) I just feel there is a big difference between a knock on the head or a memory wipe and something else controlling the character. Also, Kurn actually would have preferred death, he was honor bound to accept the memory wipe, but wasn't forced. - Archduk3:talk 02:20, October 24, 2009 (UTC)