Talk:Plato's Stepchildren (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Alexander 3 Hard to watch 4 Psychokinesis 5 Should We Note "First Interracial Kiss Between Fictional Characters" 6 The Game 7 Alexander's Song

[edit] Alexander

Alexander should not be linked to Alexander. They are not one and the same. He is named after Alexander. --Seleya 13:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hard to watch

I have always found this a very uncomfortable episode to watch. The one redeeming scene is when Kirk says he is bringing a surprise aboard and we know Alexander will be rescued from the sadistic followers of Parmen.

This is actually a very progressive episode for its times. When Kirk says to Alexanser "size shape or color makes no difference" - in 1968 - shortly after segregation, in a country where all that mattered was color and shape...and where people of a different race were forced to use separate facilities and had virtually no opportunities; where the network asked that Roddenberry have a more "sensible" cast (i.e. no blacks or Asians - like Uhura and Zulu) - for him to use this line, and have Uhura kiss Kirk...I am thinking dang...Gene Roddenberry was a freaking genius.– Distantlycharmed 01:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Psychokinesis

One thing has always bothered me with this episode. Kirk and co. learn how to artificially make any person, anywhere, anytime psychokinetic... and they don't use this power in any episodes after this one. WHY?! Could have been quite useful I'd say. --Fulltwistnow 22:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Kirk at the beginning of the episode said kironide was a very rare element, so unless the Platonians are willing to supply the Federation with it then that could explain why it was never mentioned again. (24.168.226.12 21:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC))

Well i understood from the episode that McCoy was able to synthesize as much as kironide as he wanted. (Fulltwistnow 18:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC))

No: he was able to infuse the one present in the planet.

Anyway, this isn't the place for these discussions.-Jackoverfull 13:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Should We Note "First Interracial Kiss Between Fictional Characters"

There is some evidence (see the Wikipedia entry for this ep) that Nancy Sinatra and Sammy Davis, Jr. kissed on a 1967 variety show that aired in the U. S. Should we note this here at the article? Suggestions? Sir Rhosis 03:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The note on Wikipedia is quite extensive. Maybe there should be a note in the MA background section that refers to it--plus a link? – Chris 03:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

One of the things that confuses me about "the kiss" is whether there's actual lip contact. The picture of the kiss on the article seems to clearly show lip contact. Still, it would appear that NBC didn't want lip contact, opting for camera trickery instead. Can anyone find a direct statement by the actors that their lips didn't touch? Given that Shatner deliberately messed up the "non-kiss" take so they'd have to use the "kiss take", it seems likely that the kiss might've actually happened anyway. Anyone got any solid documentation? It's a pretty important point that should be nailed down by this article, if possible. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 22:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kirk also kiss Elaan of Troyius in the episode "Elaan of Troyius"? An episode that came before "Plato's Stepchildren." (Elaan was portrayed by Asian-Amerian actress, France Nuyen). I think the article is right in that it's more of a first television kiss between a fictional white male and fictional black female...--Joel1975 04:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Although produced first, "Elaan of Troyius" was aired after "Plato's Stepchildren".– Cleanse 04:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Game

Was the game seen in the episode ever named? The references section has a link to chess but there's no reference on that page to the game in this episode.– Cleanse 05:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander's Song

Great Pan sounds his horn

Marking time to the rhyme

With his hoof with his hoof

Forward forward in our plan

We proceed as we began

Any information on this song? Composer? Writer? -99.242.201.208 11:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)