Talk:Quantum torpedo
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[edit] Tech Manual/non-canon content (obsolete)
Should we place non-canon in the body of the article, even if the source is mentioned? And second, there's a lot of info on when and why the torpedo was developed, and what kinds of protection it has, but was doet it do? -- Redge 23:25, 18 Jun 2004 (CEST)
- Well considering that there are no specific mentions of how and what are in the torpedoes, we could just keep it to basics and mention what the article says. I think its the same from the DS9 Tech Manual. --Vice Admiral Colorge
- Well, general consensus seems to be that this should not be done. Also, if it is a direct copy from that article, it might even be a copyright violation. I'll put a {{factualerror}} in, the possible copyvio definitely needs to be checked. -- Cid Highwind 00:21, 19 Jun 2004 (CEST)
[edit] Quantum filaments
I removed the following from the article:
Presumably, this weapon artificially generates quantum filaments, which are extremely dangerous to spacefaring vehicles.
Is there any evidence to support this? -- EtaPiscium 06:36, 3 Dec 2004 (CET)
- Check the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, i believe some torpedo theory derives from there.. the trick here is to find out how much canon information has been revealed, and restrict the DS9-TM data to a background section. -- Captain Mike K. Bartel
- Quantum mearly means:
- A The smallest amount of a physical quantity that can exist independently, especially a discrete quantity of electromagnetic radiation.
- B This amount of energy regarded as a unit.
- adj. Relating to or based upon quantum mechanics
- So I do not see any reason to connect Quantum Torpedo's and a Quantum Filament. --TOSrules 06:53, Dec 3, 2004 (CET)
- (note this was typed before the post above it)
- Well, we also remember that quantum torpedoes may have very little to do with quantums, since photon torpedoes have little to do with photons.
- The TM describes their explosion as utilizing zero-point energy -- Captain Mike K. Bartel
- Just to point out, photon torpedoes have everything to do with photons, as this is what is left behind after a matter/antimatter reaction. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.5.19.20 (talk).
[edit] Zero-point energy
Should mentions of zero-point energy even be in the main body of the article? I thought the Tech Manuals were non-canon. -- EtaPiscium 07:03, 7 Jan 2005 (CET)
- I've indented it. Strictly speaking, I don't think we've ever really been told how a photon torpedo works outside of the TMs, either... -- Michael Warren | Talk 07:14, Jan 7, 2005 (CET)
- I beleive that the TM's, unless specifically refuted by something said or seen onscreen in a feature or television series, should be considered canon. The books are written by the design staff, so who better to say what's real and what's not in Trek? Lt. Commander Schinke
[edit] First seen?
I remember one DS9 episode where Captain Sisko physically picked up a quantum torpedo, at some sort of party or morale-boosting event. I think it was during the Dominion War, but I'm not sure. And I can't find the episode.
If someone can find it, we can add a picture of a rack of the devices to this article. --Short Circuit 21:41, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- That was actually the power cell from the phaser array -- the scene was from "Behind the Lines". I'm thinking a quantum torpedo resembles a photon torpedo, possibly larger. In fact, I recall in "For the Uniform", they attached a cargo pod containing 200 kilos of trilithium to the torpedo, so I'm not sure something that large can be much bigger than the torpedo pushing it. Whatever the case, it is highly unlikely Sisko could pick a quantum torpedo up. --Gvsualan 21:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- The main body of the article mentions (near the bottom) that quantum torpedoes were first seen in "The Search". However, the first mention of their application is not until the later episode (who's name escapes me, but is mentioned in the article) where Tom Riker steals the Defiant... 74.34.57.171 11:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Needs attention (obsolete)
Article need to be checked on tense. Should be the past, not present -- Q 16:55, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Should it be:
- "The quantum torpedo is a weapon..."
- or
- "The quantum torpedo was a weapon..."
- There's no evidence that anything else was created to supercede the Quantum torpedo, but what does everyone think? Apart from that, I think I've checked the article for niggling tense faults. Zsingaya Talk 17:10, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
'was a weapon', maby tense was an unlucky term, I meant more a dictionary POV, but it is solved and I removed the {{pna}} -- Q 18:26, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ferengi mention
Quark mentioned selling quantum torpedoes to earth in the DS9 episode Little Green Men indicating the ferengi have knowledge of quantum torpedo technology of some kind – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.92.70.128 (talk).
- Well, "Quark" is from the 24th Century, and Quark has been on the Defiant, and Quark has good ears, therefore he would know about them. Most everyone probably has knowledge about them, just like today most everyone has knowledge of cruise missiles. --OuroborosCobra talk 04:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Well my point is that it can be mentioned that the Ferengi may also have Quantum Torpedo technology – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.159.40.145 (talk).
- No, it can't. This is not evidence of that. This is evidence of Quark being a bad salesman, and dishonest. --OuroborosCobra talk 05:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Possibly, he may be mislabeling a product, as stated in rule of acquisition 239, but neither of our suppositions is clarified in the episode, i am suggesting we state that Quark offered to sell quantum torpedo technology to 1947 humans, and since he is a ferengi, he may or may not have actually possessed the schematics. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.159.47.79 (talk).
[edit] Federation attack fighter / BG notes
When and how are these said to have quantum torpedoes? --OuroborosCobra talk 22:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- "Sacrifice of Angels", script only, iirc vfx does not support this. Should be a background note and that's about it. --Alan 22:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the only VFX I saw for those fighters in that episode were pulse phasers similar to that used by the Defiant in later seasons. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- "On a strange note in DS9: "Valiant", it takes six quantum torpedoes to destroy the Jem'Hadar attack ship in question, after it had taken at least two or three passes of phaser cannon fire. This leads one to speculate about just what was wrong with the Valiant's weapon systems, however it did start exploding after the first hits, so the extra torpedoes may have just been "insurance" or possibly overkill or even just the inexperience of the crew (comprised entirely of cadets). Similar sequences involving the Defiant have never taken more than one or two quantum torpedoes to do the same job (barring the sequence in DS9: "The Siege of AR-558" which was stock footage from Valiant)."
- I'm not sold on the last note of the background section...especially when it contains such phrases as "strange note", "leads one to speculate" ...--Alan 22:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I agree....each battle is a unique circumstance with numerous factors. Who knows why it took more torpedoes on one occasion.--31dot 14:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Possible origin of the Quantum in Quantum torpedo
I'm noting this here, instead of any article, as it is extremely speculative, in case some future incarnation of Trek ever confirms any of it. But if we forget the DS9TM-explanation and focus on canonical notes we can find an indirect possible explanation for the use of the word "Quantum". Okay, so we begin with "For the Uniform" where Plasma warheads on Quantum torpedoes 3 and 4 are mentioned. Okay, so it's a Plasma torpedo? Then we go to "Image in the Sand" where Romulan Plasma torpedoes are said to give off concentrations of trilithium isotopes. So it's a Trilithium torpedo? Then we go right back to "Star Trek Generations" where Trilithium torpedoes are used by Soran to detonate stars by causing quantum implosions. So there you have it, "Quantum (implosion) torpedoes". In the alternative ending where Kirk is shot in the back, Sorans Trilithium missile launches and impacts on the planet surface and the explosion is just a regular big blast, so its not as if the torpedo itself is such a WMD, just when its fired into a star it becomes that. --Pseudohuman 22:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)