Talk:Relativity (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Janeway's Time Travel 3 Nebula Class in Relativity? 4 Braxton 5 Dominion transporter sound 6 Utopia Planitia 7 Who Mentions the Three Temporal Events 8 Gamma Orionis 9 Just another discontinuity for background information? 10 Stardates

Just got to thinking... Should I change this to "Relativity (episode)"? It seems to me that any entry dealing with relativity (the physics concept) would be under "Theory of Relativity," not "Relativity," but I'd just like to make sure.

If there isn't a conflict yet, I don't see a reason to move it. If there's going to be conflict in the future, we could make this a disambiguation page, and move the episode to "Relativity (episode)". --Harry

I believe that's already been discussed if we should even have a page to it, but as that isn't "Relativity" name-perfect wise, I would sugest just having a "If your looking for the theory of relativity, see: Special theory of relativity" or something at the top in italics-.

[edit] Janeway's Time Travel

In this episode, Captain Braxton says that there have been three instances in which Janeway used time travel and he had to clean up after her. He gives the time he was stranded on 20th century Earth for 30 years ("Future's End") and another, a "temporal inversion in the Dekara Sector." I would guess that that would refer to Janeway's destruction of the Krenim ship in "Year of Hell, Part II", or maybe the events of "Time and Again". He never names to the third, but I would guess that it is Admiral Janeway's interference in "Endgame". I think this should be added to the page, but only after verification.Platypus222 04:26, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

The three incidents he referred to were 1.) Obviously the events in "Future's End". And the 2.) was the events of "Timeless", but technically that was caused by Harry Kim. (We know this, because he refers to the Takara sector.) The third one is unknown, but couldn't have been "Time and Again", as that time loop fixed itself and wouldn't have needed his intervention. Same goes for Year of Hell. Wow, even if it wasn't intentional, it would be cool if the third one was Endgame! - AJHalliwell 07:04, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Oh, Takara Sector. I thought it said Dekara sector, so I couldn't find anything about it. Also, since it was Harry, I didn't think he would consider it, but since it all goes back to Voyager and Janeway, he might. I'd figure that the third one would have to be Endgame- Janeway comes from the future, and doing so changes a fair amount of history (Voyager gets home earlier, the Borg are dealt a crippling blow, etc). That would be a pain to clean up. He might not have described it because of the Temporal Prime Directive. Platypus222 16:05, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

There is the possiblity that the third major clean-up is the fiasco described in the episode 'Relativity'. 71.102.27.14 00:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It couldn't have been 'Year of Hell'. According to the episode itself, the destruction of the Krenim ship via the temporal incursion within it reset the historical timeline via the Grandfather paradox (If you go back in time and kill your grandfather, you wouldn't exist because your father would never have been born. As such, when the Krenim timeship erased itself from history, it was as if nothing had ever happened.)

If Grampy was never born, how could anyone (me or anyone else) kill him? Back in time or any other way/time? 76.200.144.250 21:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nebula Class in Relativity?

I just wonder where can I find a Nebula Class starship in Voy Relativity? Galaxy, Excelsior, Akira, ... yes, but a Nebula Class? Did anybody has proof for a Nebula Class starship in this particular episode?

It could be the one seen to the right of the Akira class in the first few seconds Enigmatarius 09:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Braxton

Interesting, Braxton mentions himself being stranded in the 20th Century.... But, as I remember, when they met up with Braxton after the stolen time-ship was destroyed, he didnt have any recollection of those events. The Anaconda 04:18, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

He said he had never experienced that timeline, but there was another version of himself in the timeline that had. Relativity introduced the idea that there could be more than one "version" of a person in a timeline. Ducane said he'd have to reintegrate (possibly using the transporter) the three Braxtons he had; one from his point in time, one from after he'd placed the weapon, and one from before he'd placed the weapon. As they were all pulled out of time at different points, that action would have created alternate timelines, so it's reasonable all three could exist indepedantly of each other. Conceivably therefore we could have two Braxtons in Future's End, which once integrated would no doubt need rehabilitation... - MiChaos 21:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dominion transporter sound

The future Starfleet transporter sounds a lot like the Dominions. Thought I'd just point that out. -- Tough Little Ship 15:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Utopia Planitia

The episode is stated as the first time we see the fleet yards, but a holographic simulation is seen in TNG: Booby Trap, aired some ten years before. Does this count? Wheatleya 15:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Not only that, but we see a picture of it in "Parallels". I think what is more meant by the note is that this is the first time we really go there, see it and not some reproduction or something. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 15:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who Mentions the Three Temporal Events

I had watched this episode recently and was pretty sure it was Braxton who mentioned the three temporal events but I checked it again to be certain. Here's the scene, Saboteur Braxton and Seven are talking to the Future Braxton and Ducane:

• (Saboteur Braxton): Listen very carefully. The circumstances of your life are going to change in the next few years. You'll be sent into rehabilitation again, forced to retire, and it's all because of Voyager!
• (Seven of Nine): Captain I believe your future self is suffering from temporal psychosis.
• (Saboteur Braxton): Well of course I am, you pedantic drone. The only way for me, for us, to recover is to obliterate Voyager from the timeline. That way, none of the events that caused this illness will have occurred.
• (Captain Janeway): What events?
• (Saboteur Braxton): Thirty years of exile on twentieth century Earth. The temporal inversion in the Takara sector! Three violations that I had to repair.

Based on this I've changed it back to say Braxton instead of Ducane since that's who said it.

[edit] Gamma Orionis

Should we add that Bellatrix is the Latin, not the Arabic, name for Gamma Orionis? Adam Bishop 09:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Added to Backround Information. :) 82.80.147.60 00:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Just another discontinuity for background information?

Didn't see anyone mention it so wanted to post it here first, besides Seven using the 29th century tricorder, did anybody notice that Janeway is using the Mark IX/X Tricorder her first time aboard Voyager, however in Caretaker and other early episodes they use the Mark VII? Its first appearance was in "Initiations". Worth adding to background information?

[edit] Stardates

Stardates in this episodes is given with three and four digits (52861.274 and 49123.5621), what is uniq I think. Something would be written about it in the article. It's mentioned in the article Stardate, but not here. 217.151.192.51 13:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)