Talk:Shattered (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Summary needed 3 End of Episode-- Does Janeway "remember" the experience 4 Removed nit 5 Mulgrew's hair color? 6 8th Dimension

[edit] Summary needed

Just noting that the summary of this article doesn't exist. There are numerous pages, such as Naomi Wildman, that link here. A pna-incomplete template will be added. --Joe Sewell 16:29, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

[edit] End of Episode-- Does Janeway "remember" the experience

After watching this episode, I walk away uncertain about the last interaction with Chakotay and Janeway. Janeway apparently knows where Chakotay keeps his liqour stash-- and the plot suggests this is caused by Janeway being in the room with the older Icheb earlier in the episode since he makes the passing comment to Chakotay. Thus, the plot implies, Janeway remembers the whole experience. Is this the case?

I don't think so, perhaps she just guess that's the best way to hide the antarian cider from Neelix. -- Lt. Commander Kacper 23:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Icheb says only, "I never told Neelix where you hid that cider." Nshewmaker 20:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I don't think Mulgrew's performance implies she got her info from Icheb. Her delivery of the line is very tongue-in-cheek. Mulgrew implies it's just a joke.

I must say that I'm confused by this episode for more than just the tag. The plot as a whole, and Chakotay in particular, is fairly ludicrous. If she doesn't remember the experience, then the episode is not about the Temporal Prime Directive at all — or, more precisely, not about it as Chakotay represents. Yes, it's about the repair of the "proper" time line, but what's the harm in telling "present Janeway" about his experiences with the "past Janeway"? After all, she's not really "past Janeway" but "alternate-time-line-which-never-existed Janeway". Chakotay plays too damn loose with the TPD in the past for it to be plausible that he believes the "temporally phased" characters will remember anything, anyway. There's no way that "past Janeway" should be told of the incident that stranded her crew in the Delta Quadrant, just for starters. And Chakotay makes it worse by letting every single part of the ship know about the general outlines of thier true past or future.

Someone who really believed that each of these people would eventually make it back to their "proper" time with their memories intact would have enlisted the help of just the Doctor, whose memory could be wiped. Or they would have made a point of using some kind of memory-erasing agent like Kirk did in TOS: "Assignment: Earth". But no. There was no effort at memory blocking, and the Doctor the writers chose to portray in this episode would've been severely limited in his ability to help solve the riddle. So, once again, Voyager derives drama from a shaky premise, hoping that we'll not notice amidst all the "cool stuff" goin' on. Blah. Seriously, Chakotay, grow a pair. Either admit you're breaking the TPD and shut up about it, or don't break it in one breath and tell everyone you can't break it in the next.

All that said, at the end of the day, restoring a "proper" history isn't a violation of TPD. It's the essence of the TPD. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed nit

I removed the following nit, since we agreed such things do not belong in an encyclopedia. --From Andoria with Love 16:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The device that allows the crew to pass through the temporal barriers is a chroniton-infused serum, although their attire or Seven's Borg implants should not have been able to pass through the barriers. This is further supported by Chakotay's request to have the hypospray infused with chronitons to allow passage through the barriers.

[edit] Mulgrew's hair color?

From the background information section: "So much time had passed that stylists were never able to recreate it exactly, given that Kate Mulgrew's hair color was constantly changing."

Her hair *color* was constantly changing, or her hair *style* was? Personally, I don't ever remember of Janeway being a blonde.... Derefed 16:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 8th Dimension

In Janeway's adlib with Dr. Chaotica on the holodeck, is the reference to the 8th dimension an homage to The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension? It has been documented that this is a favorite movie of Trek writers, but I am uncertain if this is true for this episode.