Talk:The Return of the Archons (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Speculation removed 3 Items moved here for discussion

The proper name of this episode, according to the title on my DVD copy, is "The Return of the Archons". Accordingly, I have renamed the episode page from "Return of the Archons" and updated all linked pages. -- Balok 23:37, 10 Dec 2004 (CET)

Does anyone know where this was filmed? It bears a strong resemblence to the Culver City locations used by "The Twilight Zone." In fact, the shot up the street in this episode looks like the first long street shot in the "TZ" pilot, "Where is Everybody?, except that the church is gone and replaced with another building with a clock tower. There are also trolley tracks in the streets in "Return" not visible in "TZ." Any verification?

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I removed the following speculative text:

The purpose of Festival is not entirely clear. Is it a necessary and periodic release of violent and sexual tensions that Landru has repressed, not unlike pon farr? Or is it merely a sadistic ritual on the part of Landru to demonstrate his complete power over the Body? For that matter, how often does Festival occur?

-- Renegade54 21:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Items moved here for discussion

I removed the following and put them here for discussion:

* Watch the preview of this episode for a totally different take on the scene with Sulu and O'Neil in the teaser.

What does this mean? Can we be a little more specific about exactly what's different about the preview instead of ordering someone to go watch it?

* In the scene where Landru makes his first appearance, watch David L. Ross in the background. When the Landru image first manifests, Ross puts his hands up to his ears and quickly lowers them, apparently thinking for a few seconds that the "take" was going to be of the hypersonic knocking everyone out. In another, he can be seen behind William Shatner, casually standing with Eddie Paskey, expressing no interest in Landru's appearance. Ross did not seem to know he was on camera at the time.

I supposed this could be classified as a production error, but right now its worded in a "look for these bloopers" kind of style.

Fans often misremember Mr. Leslie as the one hit. Amusingly enough, this is just after Held's character had been clobbered with a large piece of wood.

How can we determine what anyone remembers or misremembers? And "amusingly enough" is an opinion.

* When the landing party stuns the telepathically-controlled mob, several of the extras can be seen putting their hands out to break their falls.

So what? This strikes me as a big "who cares?" - Bridge 18:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I have added this comment as well as it sounds like a lot of guessing about what the Betans were thinking, which we dont know one way or the other. -FleetCaptain 21:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

* The so-called "Reger's Triad" may not be as "security-tight" as Reger believes. He knows Tamar is the second member, but only Tamar is supposed to know of Marplon. However, Marplon reveals himself to Spock as "the third member of Reger's Triad." It's possible that Tamar revealed Reger's existence to Marplon, but not the reverse. Tamar may have surmised that the skittish Reger might someday collapse under the strain of resisting Landru and the Body (despite his apparent immunity to the process of "absorption"). In fact, Reger does indeed submit himself to the will of Landru while incarcerated with Kirk's landing party.

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I removed the following:

• Sulu and O'Neil's anachronistic clothing (three cornered hats, etc.) is what gives them away as outsiders. Sulu blames sociologist Lieutenant Lindstrom for this error during the teaser.
• There is an eerie shadow of a man attacking a woman projected onto one of the building walls during the evening portion of the Festival.

Pointing out the obvious. If anywhere, this should be in the summary.

• Harry Townes, who played Reger, apparently did not embrace the anticlerical and antireligious theme of this episode: He was an ordained Episcopal priest.

This sounds like speculation based on Townes' occupation. If he did indeed make a comment on the themes of the episode, it should be written as such and cited.– Cleanse 04:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)