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[edit] Canon?

The Federation attempted to achieve transwarp speeds in an experiment involving a new drive installed on the USS Excelsior in 2285. When Montgomery Scott sabotaged the drive, it was deemed a failure. where does it state that scott's sabotage caused the project to fail in Canon? for all we know, the excelsior project succedded and it's drive formed the basis for the TNG era ships. at the very least, i find it unlikely that scotty pulling out a few computer chips would cause starfleet to abandon the project. -Mithril 22:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

While I am not sure about the cause being stated in canon, we do know that the transwarp drive was a failure. No other starfleet ships are stated to have transwarp until the shuttlecraft Cochrane in "Threshold" (where they make obviou that transwarp is not used on other starfleet ships), therefore it can be assumed that other starfleet ships did not incorporate transwarp. Also, warp drives from other races were explicitly stated to be transwarp in contrast to federation designs, such as the Voth, and the Borg. --OuroborosCobra 22:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

then perhaps a better entry would be "The Federation attempted to achieve transwarp speeds in an experiment involving a new drive installed on the USS Excelsior in 2285. the drive was ultimately deemed a failure." dropping referance to Mr. Scott's sabotage, since that really has little bearing on the drive itself. as for no other ships mounting it, there is the possibility they discovered they could duplicate the effect using normal warp drives, leading to the development of the TNG era drives. not unlike how the Bell X-1 required a rocket to break the sound barrier, but later planes used variations of normal turbojets do do it. of course, that's speculation, so it doesn't require posting in the article.-Mithril 02:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

They did not duplicate the effect with different technology in TNG drives. Look how much faster Borg and Voth drives are. That is what transwarp is, faster. Starfleet ships are faster thanthey were in Star Trek III, but not that much faster. --OuroborosCobra 02:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Transwarp is a general term meaning any transportational speed that exceeds that of traditional warp drive limits. every time they improve conventional warp drive, they'd have to move transwarp up to a new baseline. look at the numbers. the TOS scale has warp 8 as 512c. in TNG, it's 1024c. 1024c equals TOS warp 10.07. TNG warp 9.9, the listed baseline for transwarp, is 3053c, or TOS 14.5. prior to excelsior, no starfleet ship easily exceeded 1000c. by TNG, the ships can Cruise at velocities 3x higher. well within the bounds of the concept of Transwarp for TOS. -Mithril 02:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed info

It appears that by the 25th century the Federation may have constructed some form of successful transwarp technology as Q remarked to the Quinn that "Humans aren't supposed to be in this quadrant for another hundred years" concerning the USS Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant in 2372. Either this or the Federation found another stable wormhole which had its exit in the Delta Quadrant. (VOY: "Death Wish")

I removed the following due to its speculatory nature. I place it here for future discussion. --From Andoria with Love 04:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, I removed the following:

By the 24th century, this would mean speeds in excess of warp factor 9.9, a speed a Soverign-class vessel could sustain for only a few hours. Transwarp speeds can be measured in the same factors as normal warp to draw comparison, though the speeds increase exponentially up to warp 10 which is infinitely fast, drawing its own bizarre consequences. (VOY: "Threshold")
  • ...it should mean speeds in excess of WF 10, not WF 9.9.
  • ...if at all, because we can't be sure what exactly transwarp really means, can we?
  • ...plus, do we really now about the top speed of a Sovereign class vessel (not that it would matter anymore, after the first two points)?
  • ...and then, what does the rest of the paragraph mean at all?

--Cid Highwind 17:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Threshold (shudder)

Now God knows I hate "Threshold," but this page needs to at reference it in some form. --TimPendragon 17:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

What, Threshold the series by Brannon Braga. Even though it's related, this is still a Star Trek wiki, and that clearly isn't canon.--Tim Thomason 18:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I think he means the VOY episode "Threshold", which is canon. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
/me smacks OuroborosCobra around a bit with a large trout for not picking up Tim's sarcasm on subspace --From Andoria with Love 07:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] one little ship

  • "An anomaly found in 2374 that was able to, among other things, shrink a runabout to a few centimeters gave Starfleet hope and inspired them to make further attempts at creating a transwarp corridor; however, these too ultimately failed."

correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the implication in the episode that investigating the compression anomaly might give the federation the data needed to develop transwarp? so where did the bit about them attempting to build a corridor and if failing come from? it obviously refers to an event after the episode, but with no referance given. Mithril 23:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] borg transwarp

"The Borg’s transwarp technology, allow them to travel 20 times that of conventional warp drive. So if a ship is traveling warp 9.0 which is 1,516 times the speed of light, in a transwarp conduit it would be greater than warp 9.99 and 30320 times the speed of light. " Referance? i don't remember an episode that specified the speeds of borg ships in transwarp corridors. in addition, there is no canon formula for figuring warp velocity, so where did the poster get 30320c for 9.99? (not to mention that this seems in conradiction to observed transits through corridors, which appear to be on impulse drive, not warp.) Mithril 23:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] enterprise going transwarp

In "The Nth Degree", when barclay takes control of the ship, he creates a very fast method of transport. I'm not the person to write this kind of stuff...but I belive it should be noted in this artificial. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.170.112.254 (talk).

I'm not sure about the Nth Degree, but surely the Enterprise D went transwarp in "Descent". The Borg's method of travel was definitely called a 'transwarp conduit'. That would mean that Tom Paris was not the first person in Starfleet to cross the threshold, he was beaten by the 1,000 plus people aboard the E-D. Of course, they were using somebody else's conduit, and did not have an on-board drive system.– Indefatigable 00:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
As Indefatigable alluded to, a transwarp conduit is not the same thing as transwarp drive, so it is correct to state that Paris did it first.--31dot 01:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Borg transwarp history

According to canon, the Borg possessed this technology by the 2350's but is there any evidence it was used during the battle of Wolf 359 or any other Borg encounters pre-"Descent"? Does any historical information about the development of their transwarp conduits, hubs, etc. even exist? I figured it's just inconsistent Voyager writing but I figured you guys would know better than I. Thanks!! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by DFJ (talk • contribs) .

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The strongest evidence of that is the fact that Starfleet officers who fought at Wolf 359 somehow ended up in the Delta Quadrant. ("Unity", "Unimatrix Zero") It has never been stated how they got there, so any explanation is speculation, but it would stand to reason they were somehow brought there on a transwarp vessel.--31dot 12:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
No need to speculate anything, because it is canon. In "Dark Frontier" the Hansens encounter a cube that utilizes transwarp conduit drive in the mid-2350s. --Pseudohuman 17:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other faster than warp technologies

I think we can add these technologies to either this page or a brand new page. If anything, I think we need to create a new category. Faster than warp maybe? 71.123.170.163 04:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think not. Because, actually there are no faster than warp technologies. Transwarp is simply a more energy efficient ftl-technology than the Federation warp-drive. Standard warp drive is also capable of any given velocity, even infinite. It simply requires an infinite ammount of energy to achieve infinite velocity, at least according to the TNG Technical Manual. I don't remember if it is quoted somewhere in canon as well. --Pseudohuman 19:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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