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Contents 1 Trill symbol backwards 2 Evolution of the (joined) Trill? 3 Odan and use of transporter 4 Trill romance 5 Link to Kriosian/Valtese? 6 Forum:Trill spots

[edit] Trill symbol backwards

Did anyone notice, that in "Rejoined", the trill symbol on the computer panel is backwords. When ever else we see it ("Equilibrium", "Prodigal Daughter") it's always the way we all know it. The pictures on the page. I just felt this should be pointed out. (In reality, this might even cause a diplomatic incident, think if a countries flag was upside down at a diplomatic function...) -AJHalliwell 18:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Trill culture could have different standards of display depending on the circumstances. Look at current US Military uniforms, the American Flag looks "backwards" on the right sleeves but that's because it's supposed to represent the flag as it would appear if you were marching forward. Cory 20:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

One note, that is only on certain uniforms and certain services :P --OuroborosCobra ^talk 22:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evolution of the (joined) Trill?

Is there anything known (or at least some good educated guesses) about the (Co?)-Evolution of these two sentient species? I know about this Progenitor "thing" to explain the abundance of humanoids with similar genetic makeup but then the symbionts on its own on top of that? A quick "genetic engineering" excuse?

My guesses would be they are either a degenerated (speaking about physical form) species since these "worms" don't seem to meet the requirements to evolve intelligence on its own and were then deliberately "integrated" – or they first were small parasites which then (in a race with the hosts immune system) evolved smarter and smarter and less parasitic and finally found the connection to the hosts nervous system (maybe facilitated by a bacteria plasmid like DNA exchange), the symbionts as they are now probably just contain brain matter. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.76.62.145 (talk).

um, wow, that doesn't make any sense, sorry, I'm confused here, they started out as bacteria, exchanged plasmids with humanoid hosts who were also sentient bacteria? and then they evolved into eukaryotes? pure gibberish, why would they have plasmids?? at all??? what? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.249.91 (talk).

Heh, well, the type of the early parasite organism doesn't matter that much: My point is that the parasite relationship could have turned into a symbiotic one by an exchange of genetic material, and this could have incorporated genes for a nervous system, explaining how they became sentient beings without and abundance of external senses, of course it could just as well have evolved on its own yet then the neuro-symbiosis would become much harder.

The nerve cells then gave the parasites an advantage etc. etc. and in the end they found the connection to the hosts brain. Here I just took "plasmid" as the prototype for an exchange of genes, not implying type of cells (is even this much mentioned about alien physiology?).

The host and parasite would be multicellular since that is a requirement that some cells can specialize into nerve cells, and in the beginning there might have been thousands of parasites per host competing against each other. And probably even before the neuro-symbiosis the parasites/symbionts gave some advantage to the host so maybe the hosts also evolved towards their symbionts to improve the synergy. -- 134.76.62.145 00:26, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Why is this even here? This is pure speculation, and should be moved to Memory Alpha:Reference Desk. The symbiont's have been shown on TV to have intelligence, and sentience. It was also stated in an episode that the two were forced to join by some kind of disaster. Never were they mentioned as parasites (except in an insulting way) - AJHalliwell 01:54, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Okay, You know how the first humanoids planted genetic info in all of the humanoid species of the galaxy? Well, what if DS9 Trills and TNG Trills got very similar genetic codes? After all, There is the unknown species on Trillius Prime that could me the TNG Trills. (I don't watch enterprise, if im in error about Trillius Prime, Sorry.)-7th Tactical

[edit] Odan and use of transporter

In the TNG Trill episode (The Host, I believe) wasn't Odan unable to be transported, because that would damage the symbiont? Dax has certainly used the transporter plenty of times. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.54.135.71 (talk).

Maybe it's not all trill and just the Odan symbiont hated transporters. Remember, Dax was afraid of heights cause Curzon fell out of a tree once. Maybe a previous Odan was involved in a transporter accident. - AJHalliwell 23:53, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

speaking of Odan, why don't we have a picture of a TNG trill on this page (not counting the test picture of Dax with the TNG makeup) shouldn't there be one with the trill male and female examples at the top of the page. -ACES HIGH 07:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Fools, it's not that Odan couldn't be transported, it's that he didn't want to be transported because then they would see the fracking symbiont! -Shadowmask 23:10, 14 May 2007

[edit] Trill romance

I seem to recall in the episode "Starship Down" that Jadzia's claim that joined Trill are above romance was just a ploy to brush Bashir off. It certainly doesn't jibe with her subsequent behavior, or with Odan's. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.45.244.104 (talk).

We might also consider that perhaps the Trill notion of romance is not associated with the specific approaches that we've seen Julian employ. In fairness, we do eventually see those approaches succeed with Ezri, in support of your idea.Ereiid 06:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to Kriosian/Valtese?

DS9 trills have exactly the same make up than these species (that are in fact the same one). May trills be a Valtese/Kriosian offroot, like romulan are exiled vulcans? Of course, we never heard than kriosians are a joined species. Mayb a few kriosians accepted to be joined to the symbiont, and leave their planet for trill? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.198.196.66 (talk). (User:Rami)

Actually, they have similar make ups. Facially, their the same, but Kriosian spots don't go down their front to their feet, it goes down to their neck, then around to their back, and the two rows meet at a point about half-way down their back. Kamala wore some dresses that showed this in the TNG episode. - AJHalliwell 00:03, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

thanks. --rami

[edit] Forum:Trill spots

I have been looking for a definitive pattern for the Trill Markings like those of Dax and others from ST:DS9, TNG movies and so forth. I have written and searched high and low to no avail- As these are for a Tattoo- full body- I would like to have them as correct as possible.... Does ANYONE out there have any ideas or suggestions??

Thanks Pookie!

Your best source is Star Trek: Aliens & Artifacts. It contains a copy of the guide that hung on the wall and used for application of Jadzia's spots. But don't be too manic about it; as Westmore says in the book: "Even though I conformed to the Trill spot pattern that hung in her trailer, the placement of the spots was always different each time she was made up." Aholland 16:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the heads up- Do you by ANY chance have a copy of this guide or a high res scan? I just check with local book store and they can order it BUT I ha to start the Tatts next week... Again thank you very much for your help! My email is Pookiebear364 at gmail dot com

Thanks Pookie

Check your email later today. Aholland 17:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

THANKS- got it!! PERFECT!!! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pookie Dax (talk • contribs) .

Could i Possibly get a copy of that as well? the email is, sloth980 at yahoo dot come. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sloth980 (talk • contribs) .

ditto! it looks like the book won't get here in time for a costume party next week. could anybody email me a high res photo of the guide? charlottebug at gmail dot com – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charlottebug (talk • contribs) .

The editor who was sending the emails has not been active in almost 2 years. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 18:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you getting a Jadzia makeover with real Trill tattoos? That'd be so cool. :-) So are you having them all the way down ;-) would also like a copy- thestrangeoneuk at yahoo dot co dot uk. - Thanks :p – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thestrangeoneuk (talk • contribs) .

I guess my previous comment wasn't clear. You are asking for an email from someone who has not been on Memory Alpha in about 2 years, someone who will not see this request, etc. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 21:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)