Talk:Vic Fontaine (mirror)
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[edit] Allegiance
Was this Vic working for the Alliance? He was killed by Bashir, a Terran rebel. -- rebelstrike 18:54, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Origins
I just watched a rerun of this episode, and it occurs to me that THIS DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE, or am I wrong? how could he be a real person? besides didn't he have a big sparking hole in his chest after he was shot?
could he be an android or something? or did they just base the hologram off of a real person's appearance, and it was his double, not Vic Fontaine's double -- myself 15:23, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe it's like The Doctor and Lewis Zimmerman. Do they ever say if Vic Fontaine was a real person in the star trek universe? It's possible they used a real persons appearance as the Template for Vic Fontaine, maybe Vic's appearance is really Felix's, and Vic in the mirror universe was his nickname. I don't know, but that bothered me to. -AJHalliwell 17:30, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Suspension of belief is a useful asset, especially when dealing with Star Trek. Tough Little Ship 17:33, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps there's some sort of multiversal fundamental value to being self-aware or sentient? (If there's a difference...) Perhaps being sentient in one universe triggers a physical mechanism that ensures your existence in the other universe, regardless of form. Suspension of belief is good, but rationalization is better. :) --Short Circuit 18:09, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I too thought I saw a sparking hole in his chest after he was shot. I also thought that maybe he was an android. —Shawn81 07:15, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I thought. My take on it was that he was an android, and was probably built by the mirror version of Felix, the programmer of the holographic version. 195.93.21.98 19:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- I too thought I saw a sparking hole in his chest after he was shot. I also thought that maybe he was an android. —Shawn81 07:15, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps there's some sort of multiversal fundamental value to being self-aware or sentient? (If there's a difference...) Perhaps being sentient in one universe triggers a physical mechanism that ensures your existence in the other universe, regardless of form. Suspension of belief is good, but rationalization is better. :) --Short Circuit 18:09, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Suspension of belief is a useful asset, especially when dealing with Star Trek. Tough Little Ship 17:33, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- An explanation yet to be explored is this: In the mirror universe they use mechanical entertainment instead of holographic, and instead of summoning ancient entertainers, they summon ancient warriors. Vic Fontaine in the ancient Earth was a warrior, not an entertainer. So when looking for a simulation to challenge their soldiering, the Cardassians and Bajorans create a mechanical recreation of one of Earth's greatest warriors - Vic Fontaine. But he's reprogramable and probably remote controlled. It's all mirrored. --The Rev 23:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Redux
He was an android. This fact is very obvious. See the picture below: Picture here.
How is it not obvious? Sure, we've seen sparks fly out of chests when hit by phasers in the past, but circuitry? I think it's pretty obvious he was an android. There is no possible cybernetic/biosynthetic implant that could cover his ribcage like that. Therefore, I'm changing the article to reflect the evidence. - TerranRich 16:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you think it's obvious it doesn't matter because it wasn't stated in canon. That image doesn't lead me to believe he's an android anyway. – Morder 17:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- The script makes no allusion that he was an android:
- -ANGLE ON THE CARGO BAY DOORS bursting OPEN to reveal VIC FONTAINE, dressed in rebel attire, a phaser in each hand, backing into the room as he BLASTS away at some unseen pursuers.
- ROM: "Vic?"
- VIC: "I thought you two were dead..."
- ROM: "We are!"
- QUARK: "You're not a hologram..."
- VIC: "A what?"
- -ANGLE ON THE DOOR as CAPTAIN BASHIR and some REBEL N.D.s ENTER.
- BASHIR: "Fontaine -- put down those phasers!"
- VIC: "I'll see you in hell first." -- then FIRES at Bashir.
- ---
- -ON VIC catching a fatal phaser BLAST in the chest.
- -ANGLE ON QUARK AND ROM crouched behind some cargo crates as Vic's body falls alongside them. They stare into his vacant eyes.
- QUARK: "I don't believe it... Julian just shot Vic Fontaine."
- ROM: "I thought Vic was his favorite singer. No wonder they call it the Alternate Universe."
- -ANGLE ON THE CARGO BAY DOORS bursting OPEN to reveal VIC FONTAINE, dressed in rebel attire, a phaser in each hand, backing into the room as he BLASTS away at some unseen pursuers.
- --Alan 20:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- It's just a regular gunshot wound, the red "lights" are just reflections of the red ceiling lights. When Ezri casts a shadow on the dead Vic, the reflection disappears. There is no circuitry, it's just a regular wound, as we seen it done many times before on Trek. --Jörg 10:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)