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Contents 1 Image 2 Timelines and Realities 3 Question 4 Image Question 5 Voyager edit 6 Starfleet Insignia 7 Recent ban 8 New sidebar 9 User:Typhuss James Kira 10 License 11 My user page 12 Merging 13 Nov nav 14 Talkback 15 Account 16 T'Pol 17 Re: Charlie Brill 18 Image uploads 19 ? 20 Unnamed residents 21 WHAT! 22 sandbox 23 Article question 24 re: sources 25 Could you... 26 Alternate reality 27 Novels 28 Image quirks 29 Whoops 30 Question 31 "Real Life" 32 Pages Requiring Attention 33 File 34 Casualties 35 Chekote 36 Deletion question 37 Whoops 38 2378 39 Reply 40 bearing article 41 Picard and the Borg 42 On origin of Dominion tech 43 Sidebar dvd 44 If You Could Be So Kind... 45 Spam

[edit] Image

Those are the colors of the insignia, see any image from VOY: "Relativity". And that is the same template I used for all the other insignia I have made; from what the screen caps show, it looks like it is all lines and no curves. - Archduk3 08:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Then there needs to be two insignia. One for Chronowerks and one for the starfleet one as they're not the same. Though the pixelation of that image is really bad...a higher quality one definitely needs to be created. :) — Morder 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

May I ask what resolution you are using, or if you the others from the starfleet insignia page seem to have the same distortion, since I'm not seeing a pixelation at that size. - Archduk3 09:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a fairly high resolution monitor but the problem with the image you've uploaded was that there was no anti-aliasing at all and thus the image was very jagged and not smooth (the edges). Usually that's a result of a low-end image editor such as ms-paint or something similar rather than Photoshop or GIMP. — Morder 09:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I, unfortunately it seems, was using photoshop to make that image, I was actually using the same dimensions of the first image too try and keep the size down, but it seems like it backfired on me, though I'm not sure what else I could do at that size to smooth the edges out, might take another crack at it in the mourning. - Archduk3 09:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, no big deal. Sorry I reverted it but it didn't match the previous image and you're using that on the chronowerks page - which has the blue logo and not orange. If the old chronowerks image isn't deleted I will revert the page back to that image as it's more appropriate and you can override the 29th century one with the orange logo. — Morder 09:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Timelines and Realities

So I had a idea about this whole New/Alternate/Prime/Timeline/Reality thing but am not sure where to post it, so do you know where the discussion on the termanology and whatnot is going on? -Archduk3 20:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

There's a discussion going on in talk:Star Trek (film)/Ten Forward#Star Trek (film) - SPOILERS - Where to place new information (post-release discussion), though I think it's long been abandoned. — Morder 20:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I was told on my discussion page that I could ask here if had any questions. Actually, I was wondering about my user page. When I click on the edit this page link I just get a gray box that says it's loading and on my other computer I just get a white box like this exept there are no buttons on the top and I can't type anything Yarnek 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Yarnek. I'm not sure what the problem could be (other than possibly not loading javascript correctly). I've asked wikia and they said that it could be the "Rich Text Editor" stalling on load. It's not an issue you can control. What you could do is go to your "preferences", click on "Edit" and then uncheck the "Enable Rich Text Editing" checkbox and save. See if that works - I'm going to post this on your talk page incase you don't see it. — Morder 22:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image Question

I was wondering about images. There are apparently a lot on memory alpha. If it's illegal to put in copyrighted images then how did all theese images get here. Is there a way for me to download an image here legally? Thanks. --- Yarnek 16:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

All the images come from DVD's screen-captures or are production photos that we have been allowed to use. There are some that come from trailers that are from the official movie site such as those related to the recent film. — Morder 19:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Could I take an image from cbs? — Yarnek 21:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

From their website? No. Unless it's marked as a promotional image that's allowed to be used... — Morder 21:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Voyager edit

Apologies. I'm new here lol. (82.28.237.200 10:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Starfleet Insignia

Do you have a better image of the gold delta that Spock has on his uniform when he talks to prime Spock, or at the trial, for the Starfleet insignia page? Also, any idea if that uniform is the dress version? - Archduk3 03:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found one. You do more then enough around here anyways. :) - Archduk3 07:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Recent ban

Just to let you know, User:Typhuss James Kira was in all likelihood an alternate name of recently banned anon User talk:67.165.88.232 -- we've been going through this with him on Memory Beta as well -- very strange. -- Captain MKB 17:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I was aware of it a few days ago and thought I'd give him/her a chance - oh well. I'm still trying to figure out what they're up to... :) — Morder (talk) 17:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New sidebar

Not sure if you saw it on Forum:Holograms vs. Fictional characters but I suggested a new sidebar for fictional characters, code here, seen here, and I was hoping to get to the pages in question soon, since my last edit of most of them was to add the hologram sidebar, which is incorrect, it seems. Any issue with me just creating this sidebar and getting down to it? - Archduk3 02:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not up to me - be bold - just know that some others might not like it. — Morder (talk) 06:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Typhuss James Kira

That guy just started disrupting our articles as well, and after reading your comment on his english user talkpage, I banned him. I don't think he'll change his behaviour within the month he got here. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] 02:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, given that he has done this same behavior across at least two language editions of MA, and one of MB, I think we have a pretty clear pattern of "is not going to change." --OuroborosCobra ^talk 03:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] License

Thanks for fixing Memory Alpha:Copyrights. I forgot the bot needed a list of exceptions and was just coming round to revert it here but saw you'd already done it. Angela (talk) 06:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] My user page

Greetings, I was removing old messages from my user page. Is there a specific reason you restored them?Jlandeen 07:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I left a message in the summary telling where to read why. But I'll explain it here. We don't delete, you can archive them but it's for historical purposes. You can put your talk messages User talk:Jlandeen/Archive if you'd like but the page Help:Talk pages states what we allow and don't allow with regards to talk pages. — Morder (talk) 07:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Noted, I have used the page you suggested and made the changes. Thanks for keeping me on track, feel free to archive this if you wish.Jlandeen 08:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

I wish to suggest, in my own humble way, if you have the time, what with your admin powers and all, that maybe some of the backlog of pages to be merged can be worked through, since I know you have suggest it somewhere in the mess of talk pages, if I could only find it (I didn't link the page since there seems to be a discrepancy between the page and what links to the template). - Archduk3 23:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC) (fan of run-on sentences)

Well, I'll check the list of pages and if there's a consensus to merge I'll look into it. I still need to practice but don't like doing it just yet unless they're small pages. — Morder (talk) 23:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

No big deal, I stumbled across your comments a few days ago and have since then been randomly going through the merge pages. Most of them are quite old, and the Enterprise-J type was settled in about a fourth of the time the other have been up. I also need to stop using you as my go-to guy, since this entire page is me nagging you about one thing or another. So thanks for putting up with this. - Archduk3 00:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nov nav

Thanks for the help with the novel nav template. The "chrono" section is designed for those occasions where there's a clear throughline in the stories, but an intervening novel is published. Examples include Enemy of My Enemy and Full Circle, and the DS9 relaunch generally. I'll try and figure out how you've done what you've done, and see if there's a way I can apply it to that section as well. -- Michael Warren | Talk 14:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Talkback

You have new messages on user talk:Emmette Hernandez Coleman.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman 16:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Account

Thanks, I actually had an account at one point, but I don't remember the username or email address at all, as it was a few years ago. I'd rather hopefully spontaneously remember what it was.

I probably won't make a huge amount of contributions, honestly. I'm more of a Whovian, Pentababylonian and Gate-or than a Trekkie. Star Trek has always bothered me a little on the internal consistency problems, and got worst during TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds" when no one at all thought to launch a Genesis device at the Borg cube, thus destroying all organic life on it and making a conveniently habitable planetoid, instead. (Yes, I know Doctor Who Classic forgot innovations all the time, too, but it was intended as quirkier, and in many cases history could have changed to eliminate certain things from all but The Doctor's not-always-effective memory; Stargate managed to hold on to innovations and re-use them later more often, and B5 did things like bringing back the life-transfer device several seasons later, thus avoiding any deus-ex-machina. I was also more of a Star Wars fan, up until the prequels killed that pretty flat.

But since the new movie, I've been re-watching a lot of the Trek I liked better (certain TOS episodes, movies, and the occassional DS9 or TNG episode that tied into a complete "package deal" system, and thus went on a binge of In a Mirror, Darkly, followed by Mirror, Mirror, followed by The Tholian Web).

I was just struck, upon re-watching TOS: "The Tholian Web" at Spock's barefaced lie at the end, when the only immediately obvious (and what appeared to be the only intended) reason was the humour element. I felt a need to look up whether it was mentioned on Wikipedia or here, and it wasn't.

On writing the edit, though, while I do not believe that the screen writer for the episode really intended it this way, I realised that it could be interpreted as Spock following Jim's last orders, to follow McCoy's lead on emotional and intuitive matters, and that Spock may not have even entirely realised that McCoy was joking and thought he had some intuitive human emotional reason to deny reading the orders, and thus followed suit.

(Regarding his claim that Vulcans were not affected by Tribbles, I see this less as a lie and more of an emotional struggle with pride)

Whilst reading over the rest of the section, I recalled the bit in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock where the Teen Spock on the Genesis Planet went into pon farr and the strong implication that horse-faced-and-uglier-but-less-psychologically-disturbing-than-thinking-I-once-found-Kirstie-Alley-hot Saavik "took care of it" for him. If Spock's regeneration followed the same course as his original life, albeit accellerated, and pon farr is a totally biological phenomenon, then Spock did, indeed, encounter pon farr at least once in his life prior to TOS: "Amok Time". Of course, that doesn't cover at least two times between those ages, or the fact that no one in Starfleet should have been surprised by pon farr, Vulcan's haveing been in it as long as humans.

And if the thought of how many times Spock must have gone into pon farr between that and the new movie doesn't disturb you, especially the concept of a crazy-horny-old-Ambossador-Spock, then consider it happening to the Zachary Quinto version. Or worse, consider this... a new cast remake of Spock's Brain:

McCoy: I'm going to have to cut open his skull to get it back in there. Spock's Brain hooked up to a communication device: Let me take care of that for you, doctor. Spock's hand raises up, points a single finger at his own forehead, and a line of blod appears streaking across his forehead, while a 'tick-tock-tick-tock' sound plays in the background

96.225.201.101 03:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] T'Pol

Thanks for getting that file, didn't even notice that it was in caps when I loaded it. ; ) - Archduk3:talk 02:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Happens all the time - we didn't have the power to fix it so easily before though. — Morder (talk) 02:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Charlie Brill

IMDB. Questionable source, I know, but the only one that's there. --Joshmaul 04:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought you'd say that... :) — Morder (talk) 04:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image uploads

I don't need to say this, but your image uploads for your BG performers page still need the licenses and categories tagged onto 'em. And a couple are uncited. :P -- sulfur 11:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought I got them all - I did miss the license from the latest batch though, thanks for reminding me. — Morder (talk) 19:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

Hey, what's File:Moore and others.odf? – Tom 20:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It's actually a file that contains all the geocities texts as geocities is going offline later this year. I uploaded it after a discussion on #ma. :) just rename it to .rar as mediawiki doesn't allow any archive files :) We haven't decided quite what to do with it yet. (See: Forum:Geocities going down) — Morder (talk) 20:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks. – Tom 20:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As long as we don't start adding "Ron Moore thinks this episode sucks/was great/was embarassing", even if he had nothing to do with them again... ;-) --Jörg 08:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Naturally...:) — Morder (talk) 09:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unnamed residents

Hey. Just want to let you know that I've cleaned up the page Unnamed Deep Space 9 residents. You've added two people twice. File:Human with Aphasia - 3.jpg is the same as File:Human smiling at Dax.jpg and File:Human female in Quarks.jpg is the same as File:Human female walking on the Promenade 2.jpg. Just fyi. ;) – Tom 19:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I did no such thing :) I just moved the Civilian section from Unnamed Deep Space 9 personnel - didn't look through it once really :) — Morder (talk) 19:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WHAT!

Why have you deleted my stuff! I have gone to Wikisimpsons and they have not been so hostile! We, at The Sims Wiki, where I got it from, where I am an admin, like it and many users have talkboxes. If I get thrown out, I will report this. --TDM : Always here to help but only one thing : Call me Data 09:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] sandbox

In my related sandbox, I was actually trying to put in better links for the other language versions of MA, as per something Cid said in when memory gamma was first brought up, it's in the main page archive. I stopped working on it when it became apparent I had no idea what I was doing, and I haven't had the time to get back to it. - Archduk3:talk 23:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I knew I saw it somewhere. I just couldn't remember exactly... — Morder (talk) 23:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article question

Hey, I'm trying to finish one last reference to the heart attack atricle on Memory-Alpha. I was wondering if you have seen the episode "Rejoined" recently or can remember a reference to heart attack in that episode, as I haven't seen it in years, nor do I own it. Any help would be great, thank you. --Delta2373 08:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

"Not bad. Or I suppose we could throw ourselves at each other, profess our undying love for each other and complete disregard for Trill society."

"Doctor Pren would probably have a heart attack."

"Forget about him, my brother's head would explode. He's been a nervous wreck ever since we arrived."

The other chick with dax saying the heart attack line...That's it from the episode. — Morder (talk) 09:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] re: sources

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/bst/article/2303673.html – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Euphorik6 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Could you...

Can you look at Enterprise dedication plaque and figure out what the anon user did? I can't tell.--31dot 23:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like he/she removed all the spaces from around italicized colons. Why? no clue, but I reverted. -- Captain MKB 23:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Captainmike, and thanks Morder if you looked. :)--31dot 23:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I was busy and not on MA at the moment. :) — Morder (talk) 23:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

With regards to that particular edit - they didn't edit hardly anything. It's the stupid new editor that wikia pushed out that is making those edits. Most of them removed spaces from the table | - became |- and other formatting. The Editor actually didn't change a thing or maybe added a <space> somewhere. — Morder (talk) 23:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I hear Wookiepedia got the editor disabled -- i've requested Sannse have it disabled for Memory Beta too... sometimes people are looking at code, make no changes, but when they are done it makes drastic alterations to table code and things like that. One article got edited by the autoeditor and it removed 3KB of breaks from the article because it didn't like the table format not having every cell on a newline. -- Captain MKB 23:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we should probably bring it up for discussion in the forums. But, in general, I don't have a problem with it - just makes reviewing edits annoying. :) — Morder (talk) 23:37, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate reality

In the recent edits to the page, it has been brought up that Starfleet knew what the Romulans looked like before the Narada showed up. I just wanted to check to make sure I have the timing of events down, and it seems you have seen the movie more then the rest of us.

"Storm in space" -> Ship comes through -> Ship is ID as Romulan and attacks-> the Narada hails them (visual)

If I'm right, then there is no issue with Starfleet learning about how the Romulans looked right there, and the language bit could be anything from it's taught in the same class to what have you. Either way, the language part seems like is nitpicking to me. - Archduk3:talk 01:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried to reword it but most of the speculation has been removed. The only part that is left isn't a nitpick but might really be worthless information as they did learn romulan - especially after that attack by the romulans the federation would step-up their knowledge gathering about them - including language... — Morder (talk) 01:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess; either way, I don't see why people keep feeling the need to poke holes in this film, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier still has a ton of things people could complain about... :) - Archduk3:talk 02:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

It's probably just people who think they've thought of something new that isn't here...not necessarily picking apart the movie - just people think they're clever... :) — Morder (talk) 02:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

/Oh I know I am not that clever. --Frank Columbo 02:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

My apologies. I was not trying to nick pick. I only wanted to suggest that that Abram’s universe may have changed before the events depicted at the beginning of the film. I did not think it was pure speculation so I want to say that I am sorry if I miss stepped when adding what I did. --Frank Columbo 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

No apology necessary. The best way to bring stuff like that up for discussion is mainly on other message boards as this encyclopedia is here to provide what actually happened in the star trek universe. As for your idea I can't find any evidence as all the evidence we see could be explain in various forms. Nobody on the Kelvin knew that they were dealing with Romulans as it wasn't seen on screen, 25 years later - we knew they were Romulans. Same with the language. — Morder (talk) 02:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't take what I wrote the wrong way, I've seen a lot of "picking apart" since the film came out, and have gotten a bit jaded to it, so I went to check with the "higher powers". Being Bold isn't something to apologize for, it's what this site wants. I should apologize for not using the talk page on the article. - Archduk3:talk 02:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Novels

I thought I'd respond here, since it doesn't have to do with the discussion, but I kind of agree with you about the novels. I used to read most of them but I've kind of fallen out of that with the "relaunch" ones, mostly because (as you said) it is basically even more fan fiction than the novels set during the series.--31dot 23:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I've always thought that but I apply it to all novels. There are very few novels I actually like, such as Q-Squared and only that one because of how well it tied Q and Trelane and episodes of TNG and TOS. I'm not exactly sure why I dislike them so much but it just seems like someone comes along with fan fiction but happens to have an agent and *bam* authorized production. — Morder (talk) 23:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image quirks

There seem to be some quirks with the images lately. I had to upload a file twice to get it to work right, and some images don't seem to be displaying correctly, or at all. If you check my user page and all the images load properly, let me know, as at least one doesn't and I have noticed a few on other pages as well; or if they all display fine then disregard. - Archduk3:talk 10:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There's a problem with the last two images but it's not because you didn't upload it properly. It's related to the cache server. I'll see what I can find out. — Morder (talk) 10:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You're not the only person having issues uploading. :) — Morder (talk) 10:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Though so, though I find it weird the images that won't display for you are different then the ones that aren't displaying for me, though I'm sure the explanation involves some technobabble. :) - Archduk3:talk 10:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, actually wikia has been having network connectivity problems lately too. Yesterday a server was disconnected from the network. Didn't read why though. — Morder (talk) 10:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I've been given the word that all is well in the kingdom. — Morder (talk) 11:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

So I take it that John de Lancie snapped his fingers. Good news indeed. - Archduk3:talk 11:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Now I wish he'd snap his fingers and bring Legend to DVD dammit. — Morder (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You could always buy the bootleg? Though the cover does look really fake (and the file name sucks). - Archduk3:talk 11:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You are right, there doesn't seem to be any plans to release that, which is weird. Couldn't even find a petition to get it released, maybe you should start one. I actually remember this show when VOY first came out, and it seemed Ok, just not that into westerns that don't have spaceships in them I guess. - Archduk3:talk 12:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I get the feeling that all is not well in the kingdom anymore. I pray this is the result of background maintenance? - Archduk3:talk 13:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah, we just have to be patient...apparently it's going to take a couple hours. — Morder (talk) 13:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

I was not observant enough- I saw you do that with the other link and did it thinking I needed to for a template- without seeing where the link went. Thanks for catching that.--31dot 14:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, no problem. I just thought I missed something initially and actually had to test it first. :) — Morder (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I'm glad to see you accepted my photo, taken at Paramount during the shooting of The Quality Of Life episode. But why did you undo my contribution to my own performer listing on the site? I just wanted to clarify that I am primarily a commercial actor. I thought users might find it interesting that they may see me turning up in TV commercials; also it explains why I have few theatrical credits. Ian Ray

Well, the removal of data was because your edit caused the information to be duplicated in the wrong place. If you look here you'll see that you put everything in the "External links" section and duplicated the information above that. — Morder (talk) 23:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, please be careful when you edit pages as you deleted someone else's question on my talk page. It's best to add everything to the bottom of a talk page. :) — Morder (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

MORDER: Sorry if I am not using the site ocrrectly! I can't find any other place to enter a reply to your question. Hopefully you will receive this without me deleting anything. For members of the Screen Actors Guild and AFTRA acting work is divided into commercial and theatrical. The contracts are widely different, the pay rates are different, and you need an agency to represent you for each category. I previously had an agency that represented me "commercially" (to perform in TV commercials) and "theatrically" (to perform in TV programs and movies). Currently I have an agent that only represents me commercially. Therefore I am known in the industry as a "commercial actor". Since I have no one repping me for TV and f;ilms, I have to find those jobs on my own, which is not easy. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ian Ray (talk • contribs) .

Don't apologize, editing a wiki is a new experience for a lot of people. All you have to do is edit your own talk page and put your reply at the end of the conversation. I see what you mean about the difference between the two. When I first undid your edit it seemed to be a sorta "keyword" type addition that added nothing to the actual article and made it completely different from all other actors so I didn't see the need for it. I'll leave it for now but that doesn't mean someone else might not come and remove it later. (Just letting you know) — Morder (talk) 00:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Real Life"

So I am not allowed to edit the 'Real Life' episode page? I see nowhere on MA telling me I can't do what I've been trying. - anonymous user that isn't allowed to contribute 142.68.67.164 05:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Please have a look at MA:NIT. That the Doctor's daughter is still breathing after she "dies" is a trivial production error. The MA community has decided that including such nitpicks is not appropriate.– Cleanse 05:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

In addition, the message I posted on your talk page explains why and provides a link to "nitpicking" to show you why. — Morder (talk) 06:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah I love production errors like that. They did something similar with K'Ehleyr I think. Anyway how is life as an admin? Last time I checked in you had just been "converted" or crowned...:) – Distantlycharmed 06:21, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

It's been fine, though I've been really busy lately so haven't contributed much. :) — Morder (talk) 06:28, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah same here. I actually haven't edited in months. In between being super busy and the new movie coming out it sort of cooled off. But I miss Star Trek and everytime I watch an episode I wonder how its worked out in MA. Ha :) – Distantlycharmed 07:00, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pages Requiring Attention

Hi! I was wondering- is there a page with articles requiring attention? Thanks. Ajraddatz "Raddatz to Enterprise" 5 Edits "It's the Q entity, Sir."

Category:Memory Alpha stubs is one place to start. — Morder (talk) 03:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Ajraddatz "Raddatz to Enterprise" 5 Edits "It's the Q entity, Sir."

[edit] File

Found this under Uncateorized Files: File:Moore and others.odf, what is it? - Archduk3:talk 02:46, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

See the description. You can also read it here. — Morder (talk) 02:48, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I didn't read the description because this warning came up when I tried to view it: "Warning: This file may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised."

[edit] Casualties

Hello. Since you're an admin here, I figured out you would be the right person to ask. Could you please revert Ltarex's edits to the Starfleet casualties page? He keeps changing it to chronological listing, although it has been decided to list people alphabetically. Besides, he has screwed up two tables. Thanks. QuiGonJinn^Talk 11:21, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well, all you have to do is "edit" a previous version and you'll accomplish the same thing as a revert. As for the order of the list, I see nothing on the talk page about the order so it should probably be brought up for discussion. Though really, if there was only one table for all items you could sort the list any way you'd like with table sorts. :) — Morder (talk) 11:37, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

The page lists the order as alphabetical by date, thought it should be brought up on the talk page if it keeps happening. Now about these table sorts, please explain. - Archduk3:talk 14:10, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well...

Col 1	Col 2	Col 3	Col 4	Col 5
12442	24554	5465	2345644	2309834
79978	78978	234	23907	4545778
45665	98756	4567	4645	1
7987	4546	23432	544654	988
46577	989232	12323	233333	5

There ya go. — Morder (talk) 14:32, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :) - Archduk3:talk 23:14, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you with this again, but do you know a way to get the episodes to sort in production order, which is the whole issue behind the ablity to sort the table in the first place. If not, then the whole thing may be moot. :) - Archduk3:talk 14:08, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I don't see where you're having problems with the production order. Could you point me to the table in question? — Morder (talk) 20:26, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't save the changes, though it seems to only sort by alphabetical order. I was using the table for the NX crew on the Starfleet casualties page. - Archduk3:talk 22:58, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well, check out {{ENT Season 1}} for an example of production ordering since it works fine there. — Morder (talk) 23:09, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

That's actually the issue, if you sort the titles it lists them alphabetically. I was hoping there was a way to use the episode number without having to add another col to the table, but it seems that may be the only way. Thanks again for you help with this; I'll toy with it on one of my subpages to see if there is a way to do it. :) - Archduk3:talk 23:28, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you have to add a column to be able to sort the list. — Morder (talk) 23:51, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

(Side note: Could you weigh in on the page split at Talk:Starfleet casualties? Trying for a real consensus there.) - Archduk3:talk 06:31, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Chekote

Thought it was odd that there wasn't a page for him, and no disambiguation link on the Chakotay page. Really frustrating when the info is already there and you can't find it. Thanks for the cleanup. - Archduk3:talk 06:31, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

It happens. In general there's no disamib since they aren't actually the same name, just happen to sound similar :) — Morder (talk) 06:53, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Well, we should keep some link at the top of the Chakotay page, so I don't do this again the next time I can't sleep. :) - Archduk3:talk 06:58, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Bring it up on the talk page since I'm sure it's been brought up before. — Morder (talk) 07:10, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion question

If I end up deleting them, do I just delete the file and then restore the version that was there before? I haven't done that with a file before.--31dot 11:37, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Revert to the past revision, then delete the version you want. -- sulfur 11:44, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

I didn't mean to revert your rollback, it happened at the same time. Sorry :)

We may want to protect the page from anons for a little bit. This has happened before.--31dot 00:09, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

No problemo. I don't see a need for a block though. It's just another random post. If the anon continues to edit the same article then sure. :) (but then i'd block the anon for it) — Morder (talk) 00:12, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 2378

Hello. I was wondering if I could discuss this with you. I was watching VOY: "Friendship One" recently. In it, Tom Paris tells Brin that B'Elanna is going to give birth to their child in only a couple of months. Since a later Voyager episode, "Homestead" is set on April 5th, 2378, shortly before "Endgame", when B'Elanna gives birth, would I be correct in assuming that all episodes from "Friendship One" to "Endgame" take place in in 2378? --Delta2373 01:00, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I hope you're not starting something with me :) but, like I said elsewhere you can only make those assumptions based on the facts. One episode specifically stated a date, if another episode says "2 months later" then sure you would be correct. Though I tend to think that "couple of months" means 2 months. The real question is how long was the gap between homestead and endgame. If it was any longer than 2-3 months then you can't really say since Paris would have been wrong in his "couple of months". But we have to go by what Paris says so endgame must have been a couple months after Friendship One. (Not sure but did Torres go into premature labor - if so that changes things - looks like she didn't after reading the summary) Anyway, really I don't think it's necessary to put everything into years. — Morder (talk) 01:24, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but IMO it could be anywhere between 2 and 6 months, where "half a year" would replace "a couple of months". - Archduk3:talk 01:41, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

But would it be OK to change the year on Friendship One's page from 2377 to 2378? --Delta2373 01:57, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

It's up to you. Paris does say "couple of months" which usually means two - Archduk3 thinks it could be more - but under normal use it means two while "few" means more than 2. Let's put it this way: Why is it currently under 2377? Someone must have thought it belonged there based on other evidence at his/her disposal. — Morder (talk) 02:01, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I think this is pretty much a border case, where (again) both dates would be equally valid or invalid. 2378 is now based mainly on the interpretation of what exactly "a couple of" months may be (both "two" and "some" are valid interpretations), while the previous 2377 was probably based on the standard stardate hypothesis, which would put any 54xxx stardate in 2377.

In any case, the key point with all these changes is what Morder already hinted at: Please make sure that you don't only change one arbitrary number to another, but add your reasoning to the relevant talk pages. If you fail to do so, it's only a matter of time before this will be changed AGAIN. Also, discuss first, and then change everything that is necessary, to avoid our articles being in some horribly inconsistent state. Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 09:20, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't hint about it at all on Nero201's talk page :) — Morder (talk) 09:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Hey there Morder just replying to your comment on my page. I got where you're coming from and like I said I'm not taking anything personal or as an attack. No worries I'll be sure to discuss in talk before future major changes. --Nero210 07:43, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] bearing article

Hi there. You undid my additions on the Bearing article, and instead provided a link to Wikipedia. Could I ask, what kind of information would you add to this article in order to elevate it from a mere stub status to qualifying article? JulesB 01:04, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Basically the information that missing from all references in the show. For instance in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Kirk asks for the bearing and distance to the whales from their location in central park which then spock attempts to use that information to find the location on a bus stop map. — Morder (talk) 01:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I've added a list of known missing references to the talk page. — Morder (talk) 01:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. (Still made a contribution, yay! ;))

One more question, would you include a reference to heading, since the two are similar (with a basic difference)? If so, in what form? (I guess that's two questions.)

Probably just a see also section would work. — Morder (talk) 01:36, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Picard and the Borg

Locutus of Borg was not Picard, since he had no control over himself, much like Riker with the Type A Trills. - Archduk3:talk 20:17, October 23, 2009 (UTC)\

Didn't see the comment on the talk page before I left this, sorry. - Archduk3:talk 20:29, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] On origin of Dominion tech

I don't know if your edit of the article Dominion constitutes removing speculation. While the line "the Dominion seemed to possess a deep respect for Federation engineers" does somewhat reach, Keevan's line about Starfleet engineers being famed and being able to "turn rocks into replicators" is clearly a comment on the technical ability of Starfleet engineers.

Also in the episode (DS9: "Starship Down"), we find out that the Dominion get at least some of their technology from the Karemma, one of their member races. I don't think it is speculation to say that it is unclear how much of their technology is Dominion (read: Founder, Vorta, or Jem'Hadar) built.

I think that if anything the note at the end of this section that states something about the Dominion having more time to develop their technology is more so a piece of speculation --Illwill 02:12, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

"Deep respect" is an opinion of how you feel the dominion thought of the federation not canon fact. Therefore it's speculation. I left the line in that is canon and left it up to the reader to decide how to interpret it. As for the "unclear" part - what we don't know we don't mention. If it's unclear then you don't bring it up. — Morder (talk) 02:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Here's a rule of thumb, if you say "Possibly" or "it is unclear" or "might" or any similar word/phrase then the statement doesn't belong. — Morder (talk) 02:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Your first point is valid, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the second. We have always clearly pointed out when a piece of technology is acquired from another race. As when the Klingons exchanged starship designs for cloaking technology with the Romulans. In addition with all the contact between the Federation and the Dominion we have never seen aDominion engineer, so I don't think stating that some of the Dominion tech wasn't homegrown is much of a reach.

Either way, I can live with your edits.--Illwill 02:47, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with your technology from other races...the part that is contested is your statement "This may be because some or all of Dominion technology may have been purchased from individual races within the Dominion itself" - that is speculation. You can say that they have purchased weapons from within the dominion but your statement as you have evidence of that fact but "this may be because..." is your speculation and isn't canon. — Morder (talk) 02:51, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Would this have been more acceptable:

At least some of Dominion technology was manufactured by Dominion member species, it is known for example, that at least one type of torpedo carried onboard Jem'Hadar attack vessels was sold to the Dominion by the Karemma, a Dominion member.(DS9: "Starship Down")--Illwill 02:59, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

That is acceptable. Before your statement was saying that the dominion thought the federation engineering was great and gave a possible reason why. Now you're stating fact. — Morder (talk) 03:04, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

You are correct and I was mistaken. --Illwill 03:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

No big deal and don't worry about it. Eventually we all get it right...just takes time. — Morder (talk) 05:12, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sidebar dvd

The changes you've made to {{Sidebar dvd}} have broken it - take a look at DS9 Season 7 DVD for example - the image caption are now incorrectly formatted, and the whole first line of the template is out in plain text. -- Michael Warren | Talk 06:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

well pfft. i guess i'll take that to user space and test it there. — Morder (talk) 06:03, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Turns out it was the template }} you can't have a formatting code after it - in this case the <space> — Morder (talk) 06:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] If You Could Be So Kind...

If you could will you archive the talk page for User talk:70.176.184.44. That was mine before I set up my account. Thanks. --Nero210 21:48, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

IPs don't get that advantage here because they're IPs and only temporary. Someone will come and clean up the old items in a while once they've expired. What I could do, if you'd like, is move the talk to your archive. Unnecessary but it's up to you. — Morder (talk) 21:50, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

If it will be deleted at some point then that will not be necessary, thank you though. --Nero210 21:52, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I wouldn't worry about it either as long as you don't use the IP and only your username nobody will read it anyway. :) — Morder (talk) 21:54, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spam

I was thinking, not very hard mind you, that it might be a good idea to have an "edit hint" about spam, since it comes up frequently. I'm mentioning it instead of just making it since I'm not really sure on how to word it. - Archduk3:talk 04:21, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we don't do that because it's generally better to ignore the spammers than to call attention to them. Tell them they can't or shouldn't do something is just asking for them to continue rather than just deleting and ignoring. If they continue after that we can just block them but they already know they're idiots. Pissing them off by drawing attention to it usually results in stuff like what happened a year or so ago where someone kept changing ips to bypass the block just to post an ascii-picture of a confederate flag and of picard doing a face-palm... — Morder (talk) 04:30, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

As much as I love face-palm Picard, I see your point. :) - Archduk3:talk 04:34, November 7, 2009 (UTC)