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[edit] removing white from images

Thanks! Feel free to jump on as many as you can, less for me to do later :) --Alan 03:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. I've taken care of all that I've seen you upload so far and will continue to do so throughout the night. --Morder 03:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main Cast Listings

I noticed you reverted a few of my edits this evening. I was just wondering why you thought it was necessary. I added a lot of these main cast listings myself a few months ago - most of the episodes did not have them until then. The only reason I started updating them again is because I just noticed it this way in the episode article for ENT: "Silent Enemy", which is nominated to be a featured article! I had actually added the main cast listing to that article back in March, but someone else added the ranks to it earlier this month. I agree it could be a little tricky during some episodes where the characters appear in flashbacks, but I figured that if this featured article had it this way we should standardize. Maybe you should change the main cast listing for that article and see if anyone complains! In any case, we should standardize on something, no?

Also, I like the idea of adding Tucker's nickname at least, because it is shown at way in some of the quotes. That is also the way his name is listed on the StarTrek.com site. I am going to go ahead and make only this change until we figure out the rest.

Frankly, your argument that the ranks appear in the character descriptions and so do not belong in the cast listing could be applied to their first names as well! — Greg (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I understand your reasoning. Most of the episode pages for shows don't actually have the Main cast listing as they're already listed on the main page for the shows themselves. As such I think it's redundant enough to have them on each episode as it doesn't change (with very few exceptions). Of course, I could be wrong and will open this up for discussion on how best to standardize cast listings since there are too many discrepancies between the listings already. By the way, I had discussed it with two other members before I reverted your changes. So please don't take offense to it at all since I wouldn't do anything like that without getting a consensus. My way isn't the only way. :) --Morder

No offense taken! I started adding the main cast listings a while back when I saw them in a few episodes and thought it might be a good idea to standardize. It is kind of nice to have a place in the article to go to find a link to the character profile without having to type in the name or search through the article. The StarTrek.com episode pages list the main characters as well, though they do not list the ranks. But we do list the ranks for other characters, like Admiral Maxwell Forrest or Vulcan Ambassador Soval.

There is nothing wrong with redundancy, unless we are trying to save a few K of storage on the hard drive! LOL! — Greg (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the reason for the Admiral Maxwell Forrest and such is simply because they're guest characters and as such their full names are then appropriate for those who haven't seen the episode. I hope others chime in on this discussion or maybe I should move it somewhere else first. --Morder 01:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
As an aside... credit listings should be as they were on screen. Not as they are on StarTrek.com, not as they are assumed to be. On screen is what counts. -- Sulfur 01:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, for co-stars, listed at the end of the episode, but there are no names listed on screen for the main characters and guest stars! Also, Tucker is often referred to as "Trip" in the episodes, and even in the episode articles here.

Thanks for the civil discussion, BTW... it is refreshing! — Greg (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Above all I hope we can be civil. I noticed you're reordering the guest stars alphabetically. Shouldn't it be in the order stated on the episode? --Morder 01:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Just my two strips of latinum: I agree that there should be some standardization, particularly among the uncredited performers. On some pages, there's a subhead that says "Uncredited co-stars" followed by a list; on others, the uncredited are listed right after the credited co-stars with "(uncredited)" after their names. I prefer the former, and have tried to change it as often as I can. Ditto with the Stunt Doubles, who I also believe should be listed in their own subsection. Both sections should list those performers in alphabetical order as well. ThomasHL and I both have been making these edits for some time now, but I've been fairly random about them, adjusting when I happen to be making other edits to the pages.
As for the main cast, I personally wouldn't mind seeing them listed on each episode page. I find it highly annoying to have to search the Background section to figure out whether Cirroc Lofton was or wasn't in an episode. It's particularly bad on the Animated Series pages because right now, it's like trying to work a jigsaw puzzle to go through the Main Character non-appearances section and figure out who was and wasn't in each episode.
Regardless, though, Sulfur is correct that the listings for the credited performers should be as they were on screen, in the order they appeared on screen. If they have a name we can link to it (for example "Julie Cobb as Yeoman" with "Yeoman" linking to "Leslie Thompson"). I would be willing to write a set of guidelines based on what I've observed most users doing, if we think it would be beneficial to have something like that in our style manual. (There may already be such a section; I haven't looked for it.) - Bridge 01:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't reorder any guest stars listings, did I? I did split out a co-star and uncredited co-star from the guest star list of ENT: "Strange New World", and I reordered some uncredited co-star listings because I have seen it that way in other articles and it makes sense, I think. Humans first, though! — Greg (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

(→Uncredited Co-Stars: Reordered alphabetically.) Ah...I misread that. Sorry. --Morder 02:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No sweat. When you mentioned it, I was a little worried that I had screwed up!

BTW, is it better like this:

Uncredited

Co-Stars
Stunt Double

or like this:

Uncredited Co-Stars

Uncredited Stunt Double

The credits are from ENT: "Civilization". I have seen it both ways, along with the stunt doubles listed under uncredited co-stars. What do you guys think? — Greg (talk) 02:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit: I went with the second, but left out the comma and included the link to the actor, for redundancy's sake! LOL! — Greg (talk) 02:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] tricylic whatever

Sorry, while editing i assumed that tricyclic input manifold ( from Relativity was the same as Tricyclic plasma drive and ya know what? Never payed attention to ENT or the Suliban (thought that the ST franchise should have taken a jump to the future to see the aftermath of the Dominion War - as DS9, I think had the best character driven stories of all Trek of all time...) fhew. so yeah.

There is something fundamentally different about a tricyclic plasma input - VOY was the first to test it in deep space... and B'Elanna in one of the Malon episodes that it technobabbles the waste products.

Any input back at Warp drive?? Kassorlae 15:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Massi Furlan grammar

Thanks for fixing my goof on Massi Furlan. :) --From Andoria with Love 18:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. I normally don't look at your edits because you're not someone I feel I have to keep an eye on. But looks like I gotta watch out for you! --Morder 18:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Notes

As a suggestion, when you're removing a substantial amount of text from an article (such as nipticks, POV comments etc.) it's usually a good idea to add a note on the talk page with the removed info. It helps to avoid any misunderstandings and can assist in future discussions. Thanks. :-) – Cleanse 11:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I was going to but just felt so lazy at the time. I'll be less lazy next time so that I don't cause you more work. :) – Morder 12:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unsigned templates

Note that anons get the {{unsigned-anon}} template as opposed to the {{unsigned}} template. :) -- Sulfur 10:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I will remember that from now on. :) – Morder 10:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

Here you go. --OuroborosCobra talk 03:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Well... :) Ok then. I did fix that external links thing, but yeah, just figured Shran would take care of it later as we were briefly talking about it when I reverted. :) – Morder 03:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ...

You're awesome. ;) – Tom 17:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh. Doubtful. Sorry about all the dupes. For some reason some id's get redirected to other id's. I'll be working on the next million in a few days. I want to take a break before I get banned from IMDb servers. (if they care) :) – Morder 17:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Frontier Eyepiece Background Info

Will you please explain to me why you insist on removing this perfectly valid point? You removed it twice and have given no reason why. It has been there for a while. No administrator has removed it. Either give a valid reason or leave it alone. I will take this to an administrator if you remove it again.– Watching... listening... 21:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

You're free to take it to an administrator but you'll get the same thing. (I see you've already taken it to an administrator) It's a nitpick. It's pointing out an obvious mistake the writers made in the script for the episode. Just because it's been there for a while doesn't mean that it's valid. It just means that nobody has gotten to it yet. Please read Memory Alpha:What Memory Alpha is not for clarification as to what constitutes a nitpick. — Morder 21:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I see CidHighwind agrees with you. Very well, then.– Watching... listening... 22:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, sorry man (or woman)...I wasn't out to get you I was just enforcing this particular policy on the Episode pages. There are plenty of times I've been reverted by others :) That's just life. Please don't take it the wrong way...by the way why are you listening... instead of watching...? — Morder 22:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem. And 1. I am a man, 2. I both watch and listen. :)– Watching... listening... 22:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE The Gift

Chronological isn't the right word. I meant to say that the scientists were the first humans from that timeline (not time travelers, but native to that timeline) to be assimilated. But how do I make that not sound clumsy?– Watching... listening... 22:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know...I talked to Shran about it before I made the changes...you are correct but at the same time not...just like I am correct but at the same time not...I hate time travel. maybe..."so-and-so is the first non-24th century human to be assimilated"? definitely needs to be rewritten but it adds the correct information...just terribly written :) — Morder 22:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...time travel...oy! :)– Watching... listening... 22:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trying Again

I have tried again to properly explain the whole Moninger assimilation time travel thing. This time I left a note at the bottom of the article explaining that technically... well, you can read it for yourself. I hope it is acceptable.– Watching... listening... 12:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My name is captainbond

I am captainbond. Nice to meet you,sir. I am Japanese. English cannot be so used.

I'm sorry. It has made a mistake in the operation. I am participating in the project of a Japanese Memory Alpha.

--ボンド大佐 16:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Wire

Moved to Memory Alpha talk:What Memory Alpha is not...

[edit] about my signiture

I just hadn't set up the page yet, now it works.

--Semajdraehs- any replies to my Talk page 10:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Selek/Firstborn

Morder, I think you've made an error by reverting my edit to "Firstborn", where I removed a link to "Selek".

The references section is for things that were referenced in the episode in some way -- which Selek was not.

The only connection is the background of the Selek article that mentions a similarity, in fact, there is no reference to Selek in the episode "Firstborn" - so the link should be removed or moved to the "Firstborn" article's background section -- it doesn't belong in the references at all. -- Captain MKB 02:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Basically, my assumption was that anything referencing the article was put in references (I also checked the policy and couldn't find anything concrete but I chatted with Shran about it and he set me straight). — Morder 04:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Yah, the reference section is for stuff that's referenced in the episode only. Any references/similarities between episodes from the BG goes into the BG only. -- sulfur 12:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moving pages

Please note that when "moving" pages, please actually move the page rather than simply cutting and pasting the information on it. This preserves the history, and saves extra bother when people discover that you did that cut and paste a few hours after the fact, rather than having seen the move done and possibly replaced with a {{delete}} tag. :) -- sulfur 13:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I'm used to moving partial pages and just wasn't thinking. I will remember in the future. Thanks. :) — Morder 16:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Female Shapeshifter

I was just wondering why you took out my background tidbit on the female changleiing page. I thought it was something worth putting in there, maybe I just didn't write it properly? (Vince 06:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC))

I didn't remove it. If you check the diff you'll see I just moved it. :) — Morder 06:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm new at this, well not new just bad. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vince47 (talk • contribs) .

No problem. — Morder 06:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek

Sorry, I misunderstood the spoiler policy. :P My bad - can we get an actor page for Winona Ryder? She's the second biggest name star in the film under Nimoy. If so, thanks - if not, d'oh! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by SCOTIMUS76 (talk • contribs) .

Winona Ryder already exists here. Also — Morder 21:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)–

Wow, magical... I swear I looked her up & didn't find here on here, but undoubtably I did something stupid like spelling her first name with a "y". Thanks again, & sorry for the trouble. – SCOTIMUS76 21:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dabo

does mean what I said it meant.

What was the problem?

Esperanto Guy EoGuy99 04:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

It may mean that in Esperanto, but unless cited, it's an irrelevant fact. Also, you signed the entry on the article page. Article pages do not get signatures. Talk pages, sure. Article pages, no. -- sulfur 05:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
well...i guess i won't be the first to reply...but i'm going to anyway since i'm in edit conflict...
I'm not saying it isn't - but first off you signed it on an article, second it wasn't added in the proper format and third i think only the Aramaic definition has any relevance but that's not up to me to decide so i reverted for the first two reasons — Morder 05:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I broke the rules but I don't see how either the Latin or Aramaic definitions are relevant, either.

But it's not my wiki, anyway when all is said and done.

Esperanto Guy EoGuy99 05:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not our wiki, either. We just work here. :) --From Andoria with Love 04:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
gah, stop emailing me! — Morder 04:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Links?

My mistake. Maybe I can make an article on one of those. Vince 07:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

By all means. In general unless the link goes to a page it shouldn't we don't remove redlinks :) — Morder 07:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the "Planet" Article

So what is missing, then? The page says it needs to cite its references. However, the sub-links to the pages ("gas giant," "ring planet" and "rogue planet") have references. What needs to change in that article? Plunking down three planet types with no description is not very pretty, either. -- Winn cochrane 03:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

If you read the talk page, the "planetoid" bit and 100km needs a citation. For types, different types should be listed. They don't need descriptions. That's what their articles are for. -- sulfur 03:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Action Figure

Pleasure doin' business with you on that article. Maybe next time I can try and keep the edits in the single digits. Vince 09:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Prometheus help

Thanks for your help with the links on the talk page. I was just looking up how to do it myself when I saw you had done it for me. Satyrquaze 17:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Figured it was easier for anyone to read it to find the right information you wanted them to see :) — Morder 18:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Duet

Thought I did remove that. Not sure what went wrong. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vince47 (talk • contribs) .

Yeah, these things happen. — Morder 15:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Jim

What article is that from? do you have a link? I'd like to see it. – Vince 02:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

No. That's why I put an {{incite}} tag. — Morder 02:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I see. I just thought I had caught some kind of MA error, but that seems to be impossible. Vince 03:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blanked user talk

Let it go, especially since it is only a welcome message. --OuroborosCobra talk 07:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I already did, that's why I didn't bother reverting the other user — Morder 07:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling "correction"

Hey. I noticed this edit you made to an article, you indicated in your edit summary that it was a spelling correction. As I'm not familiar with this wiki or its favoured manual of style and spelling conventions, I can only assume that your edit was in line with them? Just a newbie asking for a bit of guidance and clarification here. Thanks. J Di 13:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to read the manual of style for information regarding this particular wiki's style. The section in question to my edit made to your British spelling is located under Spelling and style choices - the gist is that, because Star Trek is an American production we use the American spelling. — Morder 13:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. J Di 13:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

No Problem and thanks for contributing! — Morder 13:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Image Filenames

"Could you remove the -'s from your uploads? Thanks. — Morder"

Huh? I don't understand. Please explain.– Watching... listening... 04:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Instead of a "-" make them spaces. Standard image naming on Memory-alpha :) — Morder 04:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you do it? I do not know how to change a filename. :) – Watching... listening... 04:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I meant more for future uploads. Because you can't change an image filename. — Morder 04:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. No -. Thanks. :) – Watching... listening... 04:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] yo

where you at? --From Andoria with Love 04:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm all up in here, gettin' my freak on — Morder 10:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cargo bay article

Looks like we had the same thought there- at a minimum that information should be in a separate section, I think, if we keep it.--31dot 04:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

heh. yeah...i don't think we even need the info anyway - very nitpicky to me... — Morder 05:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Invitiation to join service record game

Hey, how are you doing. I would like to invite you to take a look at a new internet game I designed. If you would like to play it, you can send an e-mail to stsrs@live.com. It requires as much or as little participation as you want and the records generated by the game are regularly e-mailed and can be burned to a CD when/if a character retires. I think you will truely enjoy it and I am looking for live action players. Thank you! -FC 23:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I read your page but I'm not sure exactly what your game is about. — Morder 02:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty much a role playing game played online. I updated the description of the game after realizing that it was a bit unclear. -FC 04:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ask J.J. Abrams Contest

FYI, I fixed my post so it's just 1 question now. However, I would like to say that I did read the intro section, and both "question" and "questions" appear in the instructions. It is not clear that no more than 1 question per user is allowed. Could you please clarify this for others? Thanks. Zidel333 03:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I've already asked someone to update the intro page. However the rules also state one question and everyone does need to read the rules. Hopefully soon. — Morder 03:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 47s in Star Trek

You removed the 47s from the Star Trek page, without any explanation. What is the explanation? Peter R 11:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

We've been removing references unless specifically stated by production or has a production source that it is indeed a reference to 47 and not just a random occurrence. — Morder 13:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but why? I can't see any logical reason for that reasoning. If 47 is such a big number in Star Trek, then it should be enough that people watching Star Trek might be interested in the 47-occureances. Is there a public record for this discussion and decision so I can look at it? Peter R 16:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Because not all occurrences are valid and are just an assumption. I'll have to find it later. But our policy states only valid production sources for production material are valid. Since a 47 link in any given episode is an assumption based on the viewer it isn't valid. — Morder 17:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I still say okay, but there is a problem with the reasoning (or maybe it's my lack of better english...) - All the 47s that I and someone else mentioned on that page are directly from the production. I'd say that the Star Trek movie is the main production source. If a number 47 has been mentioned in a movie, then I'd propse that it is valid. Every trekker, though, must always account for the random occurences as well, since the production team can't be responsible for every little number seen or heard on screen. Peter R 17:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Please keep your indentation the same. This has already been discussed and I will not do it again here. Except to say that a 47 reference is not necessarily a 47 reference unless it was intended to be a 47 reference. Just because a 47 somehow appeared in a show/movie doesn't make it intentional. — Morder 17:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I am trying with the indentation - I'm used to the possibility of two ":" that will mean that the aligned text will be even further to the right. It works like that on the swedish (and international?) wikipedia. If you find the "47 decision", please let me know on my own talk page. I know what you've said on top of this page, but if you find it in a week or so, I can't be able to pop in every day or so just to see that nothing is found. And please, when you delete other items - mention that it's a previous decision. It makes everything a little bit more understandable. Peter R 17:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:47, most probably. -- Cid Highwind 17:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting discussions

Hi, Morder. I see that when someone responds to a comment made earlier in the discussion by posting after the remark they're responding to, you have a tendency to move the remark down to the bottom of the page. I understand that it's best practice to add new comments at the bottom of the page, but when you move comments it can make it look as if a remark is responding to something other than what it really was. For example, in this move, you make it look as if Randy1012 is saying "No" to my remark about levels of canonicity, rather than to Dangerdan97's remark about the proper form of address to former Presidents of the United States.

Since both the page history and the timestamp which is included in the signature provide a record of when different comments were made, why is it so important that comments be on the page in the order in which they're made? If someone wants to respond to a point made earlier in the conversation, it's easier to keep discussion on one topic together rather than have to jump around the page to follow it. I agree with Randy's comment in the edit summary here.

Frankly, having an edit war over the placements of someone's comments in a discussion strikes me as overly anal. Is this really the best way to welcome people to the MA community? —Josiah Rowe 02:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

That is a requirement for proper discussions on this site. If you have an issue with it, take it up on the policy page and not here. This has been discussed before and will most likely not change as a result of a few new users. Placement is simply for ease of reading. If everyone injects comments within the thread it's much harder to read. I'll thank you for posting any future issues on the appropriate page. Thanks. — Morder 02:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
For reference Help:Talk pages. Please read that if you're unfamiliar with the established policies on this site. — Morder 02:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I find it easier to read when conversations on one topic are kept together instead of moved to keep comments in chronological order. And that's the practice on the talk pages of most other wikis, such as Wikipedia. (Yes, I know, Memory Alpha is not Wikipedia.)

But if this is really a policy matter rather than a personal predilection I'll discuss it elsewhere — I assume the proper venue is Help talk:Talk pages? —Josiah Rowe 02:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You may find it easier. Most users - who agreed to current policy - find the current method easier. Yes, take it up on that page. — Morder 02:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dialog for new movie

Thanks for confirming that for me. Out of curiosity, where did you confirm it? Having access to the dialog would be really useful in making new additions to MA. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Well...I've been confirming just about everything I can...mainly quotes. Since they're easier to confirm than actual articles. :) If you're on IRC at some point I'll explain it. :) — Morder 16:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

Did I say that?....:) Thanks for the catch.--31dot 17:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image Sizes.

I was of the notion that image file sizes are supposed to be small as possible without sacrificing quality, because the server only has so much space, thus uploading hundred-plus k images was discouraged. This is what I told the uploader. I've been reducing all the images to less than 100k while maintinaing quality. Or is it the dimensional reduction that is a problem (i.e. smaller dimensions as opposed to smaller file size). If that is the case, I can fix that.– Crimsondawn hears you... 21:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

If we have a high quality image available let's keep it. There's enough space on the server anyway. In general let's not sacrifice quality just a couple K. :) — Morder 21:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, as I said, I am able to reduce file size and still maintain near-original dimensions and original quality. What do you think of the new File:James T. Kirk Chris Pine during the Kobayashi Maru.jpg I did? It is just a bit smaller. It looks to have the same high-res as the 400k. How's that? – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] USS Mayflower Discussion

Can you move my discussion for USS Mayflower (23rd Century) to USS Mayflower (Alternate Reality)? Thanks.– Airtram3 13:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Cid took care of it. — Morder 15:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Added Content.

I shall type in detail from now on. I'm sorry. (Live long, and prosper). Lol. :) Roger Murtaugh 00:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Revolution

Thanks for that edit. Living in Massachusetts, we take our Revolution starting history serious. The Minutemen march to Concord every year in April, right by my house in fact. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, and my mother gets to experience the southern side of the war where she lives :) — Morder 02:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nensi Chandra Image

My apologies for using your Talk:Nensi Chandra image in an article. For some reason, it was in the Star Trek images category so when I was looking for uniforms from the film, I erroneously believed it to be a legitimate image (otherwise, why would it have the category and correct citation and everything).

This, and the fact that I moved Chandra to "Nensei Chandra" originally, means I'm the cause for all of your Chandra-related issues lately.--Tim Thomason 05:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

It's no big deal, the reason I added the categories and such was because of other users who would add them for me and I really didn't want anyone editing the image since I knew it would be removed shortly. — Morder 06:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nurse Chapel

Hi! I saw that you left "we've already decided against these" in the edit summary for the delete request on the redirect I created for Nurse Chapel. Can you let me know where that discussion was so I don't make the same mistake again? Thanks! —Scott (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It was a policy decision made 2+ years ago to not use any redirects that are in the form of "title name". -- sulfur 20:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ayel photo

I'm unsure why you removed my photo of Ayel. It was IN-UNIVERSE. It was recently released, a photo of him on the Jellyfish, which was indeed in the movie. I believe that it is allowed, even though it was a publicity photo. User:Blair2009

yeah, better to have screencaps for Ayel than publicity photos - those are better used on the actor pages. anyway, they'll all be replaced by the dvd screencaps as soon as it comes out. — Morder 02:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Can you cite me the policy on here that says that? i.e. "better to have screencaps for [...] than publicity photos" ? Because I am honestly a little bit confused as to what is allowed. Thank you, appreciate it. – Distantlycharmed 02:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
here is a reference. — Morder 02:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
It's not really a written policy, but we prefer screenshots to publicity stills... when the screenshots become available. I was not here when Star Trek: Enterprise was still running, so I'm unsure how MA handled publicity stills at the time. Since many of the publicity stills are the property of Industrial Light & Magic, it may be a copyright infringement to use them. Then again, they were expressly released for the purpose of promotion, so... I dunno. All I do know is that, ultimately we prefer screenshots taken by MA users to publicity stills taken by ILM and released via Paramount. --From Andoria with Love 02:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Users

Hey Morder! Just wanted to make a bit of a suggestion. I've noticed you're really good at spotting anon users who are making changes that aren't good for MA, and fixing them (such as this [1]). I was wondering, however, if it may be prudent to drop some of these users a brief note when this takes place. In my experience (and I'm the first to admit I've been gone for a while) giving an explanation on their talk page often leads to really positive results (such as them registering and becoming active users) while simply reverting content leads to frustration, and occasionally vandalism.

For simple things, you can simply us the template:test on their user page, though sometimes I think it needs a more nuanced approach.

I don't want to sound too critical, because I think you do great work - I just think this may be something for you to consider. Thanks --- Jaz 07:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I understand. I don't normally do it since the they usually go away after the first edit. I usually put in the summary field why unless it's just plain vandalism - which is what this one was (in my opinion at least) — Morder 07:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

A lot of users do that, though its worth keeping in mind that new users probs don't know about the summary field, but they do, however, see messages on their page. Regardless of what you chose to do, keep up the great work! --- Jaz 07:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Gratitude

Thank you for removing the vandal post from my talk page. I was going to ask him/her politely not to do that again. A repeat would have seen his name being carried by me to an administrator such as yourself with a complaint of vandalism. In fact, if it happens again, I will still pursue that course of action. Again, thank you.:) – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Already taken care of. — Morder 21:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I see Shran blocked the offender for 3 days. Apparently he has been making quite a nuisance of himself. – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Ah, thank you for telling me this. I had not known about that policy before. Until It Sleeps 22:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Question

Hey Morder. I've been working on the Nova class page: how does one code to control the spacing between the heading title and the text in its section? In this case I would like the "History" heading to have no space between it and the text beneath it. It seems to me that (in this case) part of the issue is the automated text wrapping around the side bar box image. Thanks.--Hribar 21:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...actually the spacing is controlled by css and is currently the proper space between the heading and the containing text. I'm not sure exactly how it looks on your system but the current spacing is what is considered appropriate for this site's setup. — Morder 21:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Good enough. Thanks.--Hribar 21:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvios

Discussions for copyright violations belong on Memory Alpha:Possible copyright infringements, and not the other deletion pages. Not only is one specifically for copyvios, but the rules on how things are handled on that page differ from those on the other deletion pages. Take images, which you have been trying to move to the "Images for Deletion" page. On "Images for Deletion," something must be listed for seven days, while on on the copyvio page, stricter rules allow for deletion after receiving just two additional votes, and no wait. It also mandates presenting source and such, while "Images for Deletion" does not. There is a reason we have that other page, please use it and please do not stop others from using it. --OuroborosCobra talk 20:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I explained my other reason for posting there, this time I just forgot. I know where it goes. — Morder 21:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

Forgot about the American spelling thing, my bad, my browser labelled it as misspelled and I corrected it without thinking. Won't happen again. Captain J 18:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Decoration ;)

The Christopher Pike Medal of Valor
Morder, in recognition of your outstanding commitment to Memory Alpha, most recently manifested in your diligent "minor" edits, such as nav plates on novel page, I hereby officially (and completely arbitrarily) award you the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor. --- Jaz 05:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh, I've only just begun. — Morder 05:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can I have some help?

I am new to Memory Alpha, the one who wrote the original Harod IV article. I don't understand the coding so can you make sure the article is listed under planets? Thanks! --Starbase 00:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I've already added the appropriate category to the page, so it should show up there. Also you might want to read our policies and How to format wiki pages to help you in using wikis. — Morder 00:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I read it. --Starbase 22:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Admin nomination

I think you should be nominated for admin. You're one of the most active members here, and considering the type of work you do here (ie, taking care of a lot of small things) I think you should be granted sysop privileges. I've also notice that you tend to stay above a lot of the petty back-and-forth that goes on here. Anyway, I wanted to check with you first, because Admin Nominations inevitably bring up the worst in people - old grudges from edit wars, jealous non-admin members who've been here longer, nostalgic admins clinging to power, and the likes. Okay... I'm exaggerating a fair bit, but you get the idea. Anyway, I think you deserve it, and would do a great job, so if you're okay with it, I would like to nominate you. --- Jaz 07:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Chain of Command

Sorry, still very green but want to help out. Not sure what you're saying though. IF i take out the "inspired" line, and just say the line is "identical" would that be okay? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by SpocksinnerConflict (talk • contribs) .

Heh, well, I don't see the problem with removing it, however, if it was actually inspired by that, which I assume whoever wrote that note originally has a source for it, then we need to keep the "inspired" in it. Stating that it's identical doesn't really mean much in terms of a background note unless it was taken directly from the book - in which case, we need another source stating that it was and not just a coincidence either...hard to say really :) — Morder 23:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler banners

Are we removing all the Star Trek banners?-Archduk3 02:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Not all of them, the ones left have other things that need to be done to the article at the same time. It's easier to leave them there so that we know what pages to modify with what. I've mainly removed the ones that don't need anything else done to them :) — Morder 02:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Tense

Sorry about that; thanks for the heads up. 76.222.121.22 01:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it :) — Morder 01:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{realworld}} -> {{at|rw}}

Hey, how come you're changing these templates? The documentation for {{at}} specifically says not to use the at|rw parameter directly, and always use {{realworld}}. -- Michael Warren | Talk 08:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

heh, missed it :) i'll take care of the ones i've done. thanks. — Morder 08:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Strange, I read it the other day when Cid mentioned some of the replacements we need to do...darn. — Morder 08:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spock images

To go with the "spocks" one, any clue if these are in trailers/etc? File:SpockAcademy.jpg and File:BabySpock.jpg. The uploader claims that the second is from a deleted scene, and it's used right near the top of Spock. -- sulfur 00:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Checking. — Morder 00:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I didn't see either in the trailer. Possibly from a star trek website? — Morder 00:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] You've Been Busy!

You deserve a trip to Risa! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by DhaliaUnsung (talk • contribs) .

Eh, just tedious work that needs to get done. It's easy doing this...what's really needed is the fleshing out of some episodes. :) — Morder 00:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I am (embarrassingly) having problems with a link to the episode marauders in T'Pol's clothing section. Assuming you haven't fixed it by the time I've hit send, can you check it out for me pretty please with sugar on top? Thanks! http://memory-alpha.org/en/index.php?title=T%27Pol&action=edit -- DhaliaUnsung 17:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You just had a parenthesis instead of a bracket on the first closing one. :) — Morder 19:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh man, I feel so stupid. Well, thanks for coming to the rescue, I'll blame my mistake on my toddler, eh? -- DhaliaUnsung 19:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spock (Alternate Reality Quotes)

I'm trying to find some really good Spock Quotes from the new Star trek movie so far only found one could use some help finding some. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by John Sheppard (talk • contribs) .

Are you asking me to provide quotes? If so I'm not a fan of quotes and don't generally like adding them. But the scene from the Kirk hearing has some good quotes about fear and such. :) — Morder 12:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

yeah i am. yet i havent seen the movie in quite some time so im kinda outta the loop. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by John Sheppard (talk • contribs) .

Sorry, I don't like quotes, too subjective for my tastes as to what constitutes memorable, and won't be adding any. I only correct the ones that are added - or remove them if they're really long. I'm sure there are others around, maybe not right now, that will help you though. — Morder 12:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

yeah well takes for ur help. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by John Sheppard (talk • contribs) .

Sorry... also, don't forget to sign your talk pages with ~~~~ — Morder 12:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
sorry....still kinda new to this forum. – John Sheppard 12:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC) John Sheppard

[edit] Btw

Congrats. ;) – Tom 09:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, still have another day, but thanks! :) — Morder 15:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] reverting edits

Could you explain why you reverse an edit before you do it? Cause if you dont explain and just revert, I will revert back. I thought this was supposed to be taken to discussion anyway before we start reverting each other. Example: Titan. Thanks a lot. – Distantlycharmed 18:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Please read the summary. — Morder 18:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Please clarify. I dont get why you remove "alternate reality created by Nero's incursion" when in fact this is what we put on the headers of most articles related to the new movie. – Distantlycharmed 18:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Please indent properly. We've kept it as just "alternate reality" for a while. I'll have to look for the discussion as it's somewhere and link you but basically you're specifying information that doesn't need to be there. If people want to learn more about the alternate reality they can click on the link alternate reality. It's a fairly standard practice here. — Morder 18:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, forgot reply to your other statement about "the headers" - that's a background note and not an in-universe note. — Morder 18:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I cant get the indenting right. Anyway, it is still called "alternate reality created by Nero's incursion" here and here. I dont know why you remove it and I disagree i am specifying information that doesnt need to be there. Also, why do you italicize it? It is still in-universe as it happened in the movie, although in an alternate timeline. It's just really annoying when you revert edits and dont explain why.– Distantlycharmed 18:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I explained my reverts in the summary. I am not required to put a message on your talk page or anywhere else for matter. Second - with regards to italicizing the information. That's what we do with the alternate timeline information contained in articles primarily about the prime reality. Third - the links you gave me - yes, you pointed out exactly what I stated about your "headers" - non in-universe statements about where to find other characters with the same name contained in an article that is supposed to be in-universe. Hence why they're formatted as such - to separate them from the main article. You might want to read our policies regarding formatting of information. Whether or not you disagree with me in regards to "information that doesn't need to be there" - that's something the community has decided a long time ago. There's no point in specifying information that can be better explained on the article in question. — Morder 18:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Just remember "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." is on the edit page. You can't just assume that your edits will always be here or always accepted for that matter. We all have our edits undone at one point or another - it's not just you. :) — Morder 18:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

No I get it. And i didnt ask that you post on my talk page to explain to me every revert you do...but you could have done it when you undid my edit in the summary section, so I dont have to keep asking and asking what you actually mean. I wasnt aware that the "alternate reality" has to be italicized in prime universe articles, but fair enough, now i know. But I still dont understand why you cant say in the text, besides the header, "alternate reality created by Nero's incursion". How does that go against policy and if so...which one? That "rule" seems a bit arbitrary to me. – Distantlycharmed 19:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I DID put my revert reason in the edit summary. it says "chronological order". Please check it again. — Morder 19:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok. my bad. I really didnt notice it being there...But I didnt/dont get what you meant with that anyway, so just the same. Thanks for clarifying. – Distantlycharmed 21:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Starship sidebar

Do you know who I would have to talk to/what page to go to get the Starship sidebar format changed? - Archduk3 18:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, depends on what information you want to add. Any admin can help you there. :)

I was hoping there was a way to get a bottom image added in a way as to avoid what was done on the ISS Enterprise (NX-01) page, since that is all kinds of goofy. - Archduk3 18:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well, I would bring it up on the talk page then. Since you're asking for a decent change. :) — Morder 18:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Admin

Hooray— Vince47 09:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, and I already screwed up :) — Morder 09:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Huh? Werent you an admin anyway? I'm confused. Did I miss something? – Distantlycharmed 18:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Tallyho and all that rot! :) -- DhaliaUnsung 18:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
No, I wasn't an admin, a current list of admins can be seen here. :) — Morder 21:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh...really? and all this time I thought you were one....I mean you acted like one :) But cool yo... Congrats. Now it's official...:p– Distantlycharmed 21:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh. Well, I didn't mean to act like anything, just a user trying to make this site the best one I can...sometimes I get it wrong, sometimes I get it right. I promise to only use my powers for evil. :) — Morder 21:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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