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--OuroborosCobra talk  18:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First names

The first name thing is one of my peeves as well. I've been purging articles of that syntax whenever I find it. A related peeve is the tendency of some people to use first names all the time for some characters, and last names for others. An egregious example is that of Geordi La Forge; some of the archivists use Geordi this and Geordi that, while using Picard, Riker, Troi, etc. for the other characters. There are other examples, but the La Forge one is the most common and widespread. To me, it seems extremely fannish, and not at all encyclopedic. -- Renegade54 16:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's annoying for real life people certainly. For characters, I could see using a first name if it's in the right context -- especially with Geordi because his first name is probably used more than his last. But yeah, I mostly agree that first names should not be used in an encyclopedic reference. — Scott (talk) 17:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image categories

Hi! I did realize that you couldn't search for images with that TOC, and I was planning on creating a new one that would work eventually, so thanks for saving me the trouble. :) What I was doing, though, was trying to debug the issue that you brought up in the talk page, and so was using that existing TOC to move quickly to Sub-category topics (as opposed to the images themselves), rather than paging through all the images to get where I wanted. To answer a some of the questions you posed on the talk page:

• Not all of the categories listed in the top (transcluded) section are actual subcats of Category:Memory Alpha images; many are subcats of other subcats.
• All the subcats should have been categorized under their parenthetical text; most were, but not all, so some were showing up in the wrong place alphabetically. I fixed those.
• Category:Memory Alpha images (Ferengi) doesn't show up because it's not a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images, but instead a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images (individuals), which in turn is a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images.
• BUT... Category:Memory Alpha images (individuals) doesn't show up in the sub-category listing anywhere under Category:Memory Alpha images, and neither does Category:Memory Alpha images (insignia), which is also tagged as a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images. All the other subcats are now showing up in the right places alphabetically.
• When I recategorized Category:Memory Alpha images (individuals) under "HIndividuals" rather than "Individuals", it showed up just fine. Apparently, there's a bug that's not allowing the entries that start with "I" to show up. Very odd.

Other than that, all works as expected. -- Renegade54 17:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Categorization is case sensitive, I think - so if all images are categorized as "Image", then "individuals" would probably appear after the last image, on the last category page. Have you checked that? -- Cid Highwind 17:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you're partly right. ;) The subcats were all alphabetized with initial uppercase strings, so it's not a problem with upper vs. lowercase. What it it is is that both "Individuals" and "Insignia" come after "Image:xxx" alphabetically, so the subcats that start with "I" don't show up until the last page of "Image:xxx" files. So, using the TOC you can easily get to subcats that start with "A" through "H" and "J" through "Z", but if it starts with "I", if it falls alphabetically before "Image", you're ok... but if it falls after "Image", you don't see the subcats until the very end of the images. Whew!. I'm going to redo the subcats so that they all get pushed to the beginning of Category:Memory Alpha images. -- Renegade54 18:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't account for some of them being subcats of subcats. I wonder if the subcats should be pushed to the end of the main Image category with the expectation that the transcluded info be used instead. It might prove less confusing. I believe using either | ~ (pipe, space, tilde) or |~ (pipe, tilde) should do it. — Scott (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)