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[edit] Eavesdropping

Hey, can you eavesdrop in irc for a bit? have a quick question for you. — Morder 07:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Crap, I forgot all about this. Remind me tomorrow if you don't hear from me. Thanks :) — Morder 10:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ready when you are. :) — Morder 07:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Seriously

Do you really think that low of me? If I was still pursuing removing Alan as an administrator, I would not have waited until we had a clear demonstration of another admin grossly abusing their authority to come up with a policy. I'd have done this months ago, and used it quickly. Shouldn't that tell you something? That I have not been continually, single mindedly pursuing an old vendetta? --OuroborosCobra talk 00:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a cynic, I think low of everybody. :) Nah, it's just that, with all your collecting of evidence and listing of Alan's past "indiscretions," I was just curious as to whether you had some desire to use this proposal to see if you could get Alan de-admined. After all, by your own admittance, you don't like Alan. And you are the one who keeps bringing up the vendetta, referencing things Alan did a year ago or even three years ago. If I had a problem with an administrator and thought he violated a policy here and there, I would probably want him de-sysyoped, too. I just don't see where Alan did anything to deserve that. Unlike any of Alan's past actions, however, Defiant's actions were a clear abuse of admin rights which allowed the door to a de-adminship to be opened. I'm not saying Defiant should be de-admined either – after all, his block was pointless since Alan can just unblock himself (as can any admin) – but it certainly allowed for the re-opening of a de-sysoping proposal and a possibly the opportunity to bring some of Alan's perceived indiscretions back to light. I wasn't saying this was definitely the case with you, I just wanted to be sure. I said at the start of this reply that I was a cynic; that was not a joke, for the most part. We're all human; we all have our grudges, our personal vendettas. I have them, you have them, Alan has them, everyone has them. Many times, these grudges have been brought to this site. I just wanted to make absolutely sure this was not one of those times. --From Andoria with Love 01:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, but not only was your wording not one of curiosity, but unlike your claim here of "not saying this was definitely the case," your exact wording on the forum leaves no ambiguity. I quote,

"if this proposal goes through, I'm sure you will go after Alan and Defiant may follow suit" [1]

That is not ambiguous, that is not curiosity, that is not saying "this isn't definitely the case." Your only ambiguity was on Defiant's actions, you stated that you were "sure" as to what I would do. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed! Poor choice of wording, on my part, eh? Yeah, I was definitely in "tackle mode" there. Hey, I said I was a cynic. Anyway, I didn't mean to make it sound quite so definite, but as I said, I wanted to be sure, and I got pretty much the reaction I was expecting. I just hope you mean it, mate. :) --From Andoria with Love 02:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Very poor. In more ways than just the wording. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Of Spock and Uhura

Though I heartily enjoyed the film, I do have a number of pet peeves about it. This is one. Blog after blog, folks are saying how they approve. Saldana and Nimoy have also voiced their approval, saying how good they are for each other.

The only thing is: it makes no sense. Vulcans do not have boyfriends/girlfriends. As I understand it, upon entering his first pon farr, a Vulcan man takes a mate for life. No shopping around, no casual sex, no going steady, no string of relationships. It's either unattached or married. Therefore, to me, the relationship makes no sense. They would not be going steady like two humans. What do you think? :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 01:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, quite simply this Spock is not the same Spock that we all know. Alt Spock had a different childhood than his alter-ego and therefore treated his Vulcan heritage differently. Fits perfectly with this new movie...— Morder 01:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
In addition, Spock is half human, and in multiple instances in TOS showed that he could pursue romantic relationships or feelings outside of pon far. Leila Kalomi, Zarabeth, maybe even Droxine. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh. OK. Didn't know about them. From reading the articles though, in all these instances, he was under the influence of some outside force. But, as you say, they do show he can have relationships outside pon farr. Therefore in the A.R., he could indeed be depicted as doing so. Still kinda looks weird though. Brave new ST world! :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 01:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

For the record, Alt Spock's childhood likely wasn't any different from his childhood in the prime reality. While everything in the movie is still set within an alternate reality, and should therefore be kept separate from the events of the prime reality, things probably didn't change for Spock until after he entered Starfleet Academy. After all, he was supposed to have started serving aboard the Enterprise under Pike in the early 2250s, but didn't start until 2258. So there's probably no difference between prime Spock's life and alt Spock's life until he entered the Academy. As for Spock and Uhura's relationship, it did seem a bit awkward to me, but, as Cobra pointed out, he is half-human. Also, you can tell in the movie that Spock seemed to have some reservations about Uhura getting intimate with him; at least, I could tell that. This changed after Sarek told him that it might be best for him not to try to control his feelings, so the next time we see Spock and Uhura together, he's really into it. The fact that he didn't think he would be back probably played a part in it. I will end by saying one more thing: how do we know Spock hadn't already undergone pon farr with Uhura and taken her as his mate? Huh? Huh? Yeah. Something to think about. :) --From Andoria with Love 09:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Shran your last comment is TOO intriguing...my mind will now explode from such a concept ;) --Italianajt 14:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to note, r.e. the transporter room scene, that it is very inappropriate for senior officers to be carrying on in that manner in public...:) – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Crimsondawn -- Since Spock had already marooned Kirk on Delta Vega, an act which violated regulations, kissing on a transporter didn't seem all that bad to me. :) As I already said, though, he was quite emotional at the time – he was out to get revenge against Nero, and there was a chance he wouldn't be coming back. As such, I doubt he cared about what was appropriate at the time. :) --From Andoria with Love 22:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks Re: Wikipedia

Thanks for helping me understand, I wasn't sure if there is any relationship between MA and Wikipedia. I know we can't just copy word for word from there, so I was confused and didn't understand what you meant exactly. Thanks for your help, I'm trying to figure things out around here so I can be a better contributor. DhaliaUnsung 21:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, glad I could help! :) --From Andoria with Love 22:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate Enterprise's Warp System Questions

You know a lot more about this than me. I understand that these are newly designed ships in an alternate reality. OK. But:

  • How come the engine room looks like a 20th century manufacturing plant with piping and girders (complete with rivets!)?
  • Where the judgment is the warp core?? – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't have an in-universe explanation for you. The real world reasons for using the Van Nuys Budweiser plant as engineering are A.) J.J. wanted to show that Star Trek's future was closer than we could imagine by combining present day technological aspects with "futuristic" technology, and B.) filming at a large, industrial location was cheaper than building a large, futuristic set. One of the main reasons the film only cost around $142 million to produce was J.J.'s determination to use real locations as opposed to building sets or using greenscreen/bluescreen effects. As for the warp core, it was comprised of the matter/anti-matter chambers which were ejected at the end of the film. --From Andoria with Love 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

A Budweiser plant? Then I'm suprised Uhura didn't order a Budweiser at the club. More product placement... :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 05:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

She did. :) --From Andoria with Love 12:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nero's Wife

I see you reverted my edit of "a wife" in Nero's sidebar to "unnamed wife" back to "a wife", giving the reason as: "Not unnamed in-universe". Did I miss something? In two viewings I heard no name. The only name she was given, Mandana, comes from Countdown, an' yuh know dat ain't canon. I just thought "Unnamed wife" sounds better than "A wife". – Crimsondawn hears you... 05:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Because in-universe she has a name. Unnamed articles are only for the real world such as credits or actor listing. — Morder 05:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Now I'm confused. You say she has a name in-universe. What name?? As I said, the only name I know is non-canon. Secondly, you say that Unnamed articles are only for the real world such as credits or actor listing. Yet I see in-universe articles such as Unnamed Romulans (24th century), which lists Nero's wife. Yuh confusin' meh head, boy! :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 05:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Morder, "in-universe" everyone has a name, every Klingon guard, every member of the Cardassian militia, every barfly at Quark's. We still put them on the unnamed pages, and we don't put realworld templates on them. --OuroborosCobra talk 05:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Duh, I know everyone has a name. My point is that the qualifier as an "unnamed wife" doesn't fit in the article unless it's a background note - which is where everyone is credited as "unnamed". We don't usually put "unnamed" anything in the actual article only in bg notes or in episode pages or they're given in-universe descriptive names - like horned alien — Morder 05:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Except for the Female Changeling she was never named... :) — Morder 05:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
And also Borg Queen. :) --Defiant 10:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh, poor Shran's talk page. Yeah...probably good not to name some of them...adds to their character, I suppose though they always called her, The Founder, or something similar. — Morder 10:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Crimsondawn: Although Nero's wife's name was not stated in the movie, articles are written from an in-universe perspective, and within the Star Trek universe, Nero's wife had a name. We, as the audience, just never learned it, but she did have a name. We therefore cannot call her "unnamed" within the article. Yes, we have pages on "unnamed such-and-such" which is the exception to our in-universe rule, but the entirety of Nero's page should be consistent with the "in-universe" rule. --From Andoria with Love 12:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh/ Now I get it. Thanks. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 01:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Star Trek films" protection

Hey Shran. Why did you protect Star Trek films? There hasn't been any current vandalism on it, the last edit was 12hrs ago... can you add a reason or unprotect the page? Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 18:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I sensed an edit war brewing; an anon kept adding unneeded and incorrect inflation numbers after I removed them, so I protected the page until it could all be discussed. This was last night sometime. There is a discussion going on at Talk:Star Trek films#Inflation numbers, but the anon either does not know about it or is unwilling to participate. --From Andoria with Love 19:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

You should merge the histories of the casualties that Archduk has created as he's moving large amounts of text with a large history... :) — Morder 23:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, the Starfleet casualties list is awfully long as it is. Might be a good idea to split them up. --From Andoria with Love 23:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but the new page Mirror universe casualties doesn't maintain the history of the edits to Starfleet casualties. I am talking about keeping separate pages, of course :) — Morder 23:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I'll see what I can do. :) --From Andoria with Love 23:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Silly man... :) — Morder 23:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's fine. Archduk is the one who created the Mirror Universe casualty list anyway (in the Starfleet casualties page), he just moved it to another page. Merging would require deleting/restoring/moving individual edits, which is a bit time-consuming, and I don't think it's really necessary, so... I'm gonna leave it be. :) --From Andoria with Love 23:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. I wasn't aware he's the only supplier of information for the Mirror casualties...such dedication... :) — Morder 23:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Duros/Duross redirects

I don't see how the random web user (such as myself) is supposed to guess the correct spelling of some of these names who are just trying to locate backstory while watching TiVo. What's the harm? -- 209.6.238.158

[edit] Data nit

In regards to this edit, how was that contraction example different than the others already there? --OuroborosCobra talk 06:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yah, Morder pointed that out to me. I read the edit and neglected to check the section it was added in. --From Andoria with Love 06:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I say we do away with the list all together. While pointing out the contraction thing might be alright, what is the need of listing every instance he uses them? --OuroborosCobra talk 06:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Really. Though we tend to classify it as a "continuity error" it still screams nitpick. — Morder 06:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] JJ Abrams Interview Prizes!!

  • Hi Shran...So it took eons, but I've finally received the prizes for our JJ Abrams interview from Paramount!! The person who set it up from their end had been on vacation for the last month, which made it a bit of a challenge. BUT...I was able to get two (2) large Star Trek posters signed by JJ and the cast of the movie (these are super sweet!) and two (2) Star Trek USB cards! I also have a bunch of official Star Trek Movie trading cards that we could offer up to 3 runners up. So, out of the 20 people that had their questions submitted, we should run a drawing awarding 2 grand prize winners (posters), 2 second prize winners (USB), and 3 runners up (trading cards). I'd be more than happy to pick the winners at random. Let me know how you guys would like to execute this. Thanks, -- Karim@Wikia (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Hi Shran! So, we randomly picked 7 winners from the original twenty question submitters and here they are:
  • First Place (Signed posters)
  1. JerryJoe216
  2. Bp
  • Second Tier Prize (USB Card)
  1. Henshin86
  2. Cid Highwind
  • Third Tier Prize (Trading Cards)
  1. Tim-Thomason
  2. Joshg
  3. Zidel333

I'm notifying the winners on their Talk Pages. If one of the winners does not claim his prize in the next 5 days, the names on the list will get bumped up and a new third tier prize winner will be picked. Thanks again for all your help on this. The event wouldn't have had any legs without your cooperation and support. Feel free to contact me for any reason. Thanks, -- Karim@Wikia (talk) 20:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It was our pleasure! Thanks, Karim. :) --From Andoria with Love 22:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] James T. Kirk (Alternate Reality)

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on the James T. Kirk Page in the captain of the uss enterprise box it says "Little did he know that Spock Prime observed from above (in a similar fashion to Kirk's father in the prime timeline) before leaving for a Vulcan colony." care to elaborate? (UTC)John SheppardJohn Sheppard 10:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek XI DVD release

Any information on when? – Crimsondawn hears you... 17:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's October 5th or 6th. — Morder 20:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
There's no exact release date, but studio sources have told TrekMovie.com and TVShowsOnDVD to expect it in late October, possibly October 27th. --From Andoria with Love 22:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
You LIE! :) I'll have to find it but I read a story yesterday about the release date on the 5th... — Morder 22:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The 5th is a Monday. DVDs are released on Tuesdays. ;) October 6th was actually my own guess as to when the DVD would come out, but then this happened. :-P --From Andoria with Love 23:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
You still lie...actually I found what it was I was looking for and the release date stated there was oct 1st...which I seriously doubt :) — Morder (talk) 23:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
As do I. ;) It's most likely to be released on October 27th, though I'm hoping for an earlier release. --From Andoria with Love 23:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Hey, could you check my merge I did recently regarding Battle of Rura Penthe and Rura Penthe? Thanks :) — Morder (talk) 02:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I was watching. :-D You did it perfectly from what I can tell. Good job. :) --From Andoria with Love 02:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I always feel like...somebody's watching me...heh thanks. :) — Morder (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image Copyright Issue

I'm putting a notice on the discussion page of each image uploaded by Eyes Only belonging to Ron Douglas from http://home.pacbell.net/rad-cnd/ stating that permission was granted to use the image. Since this was not done, one of the images has appeared on the Possible Copyright Infringements page. Good thing I stumbled upon it, lest it and every other of the images get deleted and MA loses a major resource. As Eyes Only has said, Mr. Douglas likes MA and likes the use of his images here, as it is non-profit and permission was asked FIRST. The Susie Stillwell fiasco that happened a few years ago (Eyes Only told me about that) comes to mind. – Crimsondawn hears you... 14:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty then. :) --From Andoria with Love 14:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I have indicated the securement of permission to use the image on the copyvio discussion page. Can you remove the copyvio notice? – Crimsondawn hears you... 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I've opposed the image's deletion, but I would wait wait another day or two before removing the template, make sure there are no further issues and people are satisfied. That okay? :) --From Andoria with Love 15:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 15:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Jackson

Oh shit, I saw your post but sorta ignored it. I just saw it on the news and thought I'd tell you - then I remembered you posted just a bit ago...sucks he's dead...I would have liked to see him in concert. :( — Morder (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, I just heard about Billy Mays. It's kinda sad that your user page is being pushed so far down this last week.--Tim Thomason 21:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep it up with the obituary notices. I had no idea Jackson had died until I dropped in on your page and and saw it. It's like the crawl on CNN. – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kirsten Dunst

Kirsten Dunst - 'nuff said. — Morder (talk) 09:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I said..."'nuff said" — Morder (talk) 03:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I SAID... — Morder (talk) 04:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I said... Randy Oglesby... — Morder (talk) 07:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Anon is at it again

First day after the editing block ended, and we have this again. --OuroborosCobra talk 17:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category suggestion merge

How am I supposed to merge a category suggestion with another page (one that doesn't exist) and still keep the original page untouched? — Morder (talk) 05:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

For MA:CS stuff? Just copy. They're still in the history of the original page. The reason for putting them onto the talk page of the category is for reference. -- sulfur 11:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I took care of it that way - still seems a bit off :) — Morder (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Valora Noland

see: User:67.180.71.135

[edit] John Hughes

Dead. — Morder (talk) 22:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Peter E. Berger

Dead. — Morder (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC) (just kidding - i did this for nothing?!)

[edit] Robert C. Johnson's vital dates

Hi,

I noticed that your name is beside the updates for Robert C. Johnson's vitals. Previously, all that was listed was the year of his birth and death. How were you able to corroborate the month and day for each. I'm not disputing the entry, just wondering how you found it since I've been unable to find any obit or news release info.

Regards

IMDb listed his date of birth as March 1st, 1921 (or just 1921). Using that information, I looked up Mr. Johnson at the Social Security Death Index, is a database of death records created from the United States Social Security Administration's Death Master File Extract. There, there is only one Robert C. Johnson born in 1921 who died in 1994. Johnson's date of death is listed as August 16, 1994. --From Andoria with Love 01:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wee Bairns

Here's an open question. Have you or anybody else who reads this ever canonically heard Scotty at any time refer to the Enterprise's engines as "The wee bairns"? That seems to be a popular iconic phrase for him. But is there any canon basis for it? BTW a bairn, according to the dictionary is a the scottish word for child. Wee means little. Wee bairns... well, you get the idea. Just looked it up. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 16:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

In "The Paradise Syndrome", he refers to his engines as "My poor bairns." I don't think he ever said "Wee bairns." That's probably just a popular mythical quote along the lines of "Beam me up, Scotty" and "Lucy, you have a lot of 'splainin' to do." --From Andoria with Love 19:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] whoops

missed you by 6 minutes :) — Morder (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dead

Hi. This is you, using a bloody Mac. Traitor. Anyway, singer-songwriter Ellie Greenwich is dead. So is Ted Kennedy, but that's not really related to entertainment, is it? Anyway, yeah RIP Ellie & Teddy. --I'm a PC... using a Mac. Bite me.

Bite you? unlikely. Hey, i need some help, hopefully you're on later tonight if not i hope sometime tomorrow...plus i might have what you requested — Morder (talk) 04:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kate Mulgrew

Someone copied some text from that article to wikipedia. On this wiki the text is licensed under cc-NC, on Wikipedia it is also free for commercial use, also the source is not mentioned in Wikipedia. you may check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Mulgrew and complain there. --82.83.10.186


[edit] A suggestion...

Hey there! I just saw on the main page of Wikipedia that the article about Khan Noonien Singh is today's featured article... Maybe it's worth putting in the Latest News on Memory Alpha's main page...? Auron85 14:28, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Remember...

...Vanja Drach --From Andoria with Love 22:55, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Check this link...scroll down to page 30, if it is useful for you. ;) – Tom 18:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Tom, I'll look over it at home and see if there's anyone I missed. How the heck do you find these thing anyway, lol! --From College with Love 16:38, October 8, 2009 (EST)

Note to self: Jeffrey Deacon and Dick Durock. That is all. -- Me 16:38, October 8, 2009 (EST)

...Stephen Gately (17 March 1976-10 October 2009), British singer. [2] – Tom 12:20, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

...(many of the following have yet to be confirmed) Sacha Bulthuis, actress, d. Oct. 15; Martyn Sanderson, actor/writer, d. Oct. 15; Vladimir Kashpur, Russian actor, d. Oct. 17; Alberto Testa, songwriter/choreographer, d. Oct. 19 --From Andoria with Love 08:08, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Actor Zakes Mokae (5 August 1934-11 September 2009) [3] – Tom 19:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Yah, got him already. Very sad, I saw him on Monk not too long ago. :( --From Andoria with Love 00:24, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
I saw him on Gross Anatomy (1989). Another great performance. – Tom 08:17, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
British actor, Emmy Award nominee, Golden Globe Award winner and nominee Edward Woodward (1 June 1930-16 November 2009). [4] – Tom 16:02, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 14 September

R.I.P. Henry Gibson. – Tom 23:09, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Star trek musical taste

Tell me something: how come everybody in ST has always had such a bourgeois taste in music? I have yet to see anything outside of opera or light jazz being enjoyed by any Starfleet personnel. What was Roddenberry trying to say? That music now is barbaric and will "evolve" in the future to be "acceptable"? Even in First Contact, the officers grimaced when Cochrane played his vintage Roy Orbison and Steppenwolf. I have always found this very unrealistic. What would have been so bad about having at least one officer or crewman listening to a little Bobby Brown? Or Mariah Carey? I could easily see Benjamin Sisko in his quarters on DS9, kicking back to the Commodores. Even Tom Paris, 20th century enthusiast, was never seen to be listening to some rock and roll, which he professed to love. What was the deal? – Crimsondawn hears you... 16:50, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea. As you pointed out, some characters did enjoy rock and roll and more "modern" types of music, they were just never seen (or heard) listening to them. One major reason for their limited use on television was copyright issues; it was far cheaper (and sometimes even free) to use old classical music rather than pay for the use of a modern song. I'm sure Sisko would be listening to some Commodores or Lionel Ritchie, we just never actually saw him do it. That said, it would have been very bad for anyone to listen to either Bobby Brown or Mariah Carey. I would like to believe that their music would be banned as the result of some anti-torture act. :) --From Andoria with Love 19:44, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Bad Shran! Bad Shran! *LOL*– Crimsondawn hears you... 16:27, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kerner Optical

Hey, where did you get the info for this company that they worked on Star Trek. Their website has no information about their involvement. Was it in the credits? — Morder (talk) 23:55, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

From IMDB:
Star Trek (2009) ... Special Effects Company (models and miniatures)
Just as an aside. -- sulfur 00:11, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the imdb info but...they get things wrong all the time :) — Morder (talk) 00:26, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think I got the info from one of the Kerner Optical employee's LinkedIn account or web site. The company's involvement has since been confirmed in the final credits for the film. --From Andoria with Love 02:05, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Starfleet casualties split

I don't know if this will work, so I though I would ask. If I move Starfleet casualties to Starfleet casualties (22nd century), roll the original page back, and move it again to Starfleet casualties (23rd century), and so forth, will it retain the page history, or does a admin need to do the split. - Archduk3:talk 03:16, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

When you move a page, its entire history goes with it, and the original page becomes a redirect. The original page cannot be reverted because it will no longer have a history attached to it; it won't have a prior edit to rollback to. Sorry, but an administrator will have to split the articles for you, assuming the community agrees with the decision. --From Andoria with Love 05:10, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Good thing I checked first then :) - Archduk3:talk 05:22, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shere Khan

Heh, I had to go and look that up because I was positive it was Tony Jay. Turns out that I'm more right than you are because nobody cares about Jungle Cubs but you. — Morder (talk) 05:54, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Lindsey

Can you take a look at Talk:Elizabeth Lindsey, see if your endless knowledge of Trek performers can assist in finding a Trek connection? --OuroborosCobra talk 07:34, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rura Penthe in Star Trek 2009

There was one scene in Star Trek that takes place on Rura Penthe. Though never stated as such you can see the prisoners mining dilithium during the mind meld scene. — Morder (talk) 07:53, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Your Date Reverts

They WERE discussed and strong evidence supporting them was listed. Why did you revert them? --Nero210 20:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

They were not properly discussed among the community, no. A discussion is actually currently underway here. --From Andoria with Love 20:22, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Very well, also why did you re-add the homeworld link in the year of hell article? It's BROKEN!? --Nero210 20:26, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

If it's broken it just means the article hasn't been created yet - we don't remove redlinks we create articles :) — Morder (talk) 20:29, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Just because a link is red does not mean it gets removed. A red link means that article has not yet been created, and let's people know that. By the way, as I said on the forum, don't be too worried or angry about my reverting your date changes, if the community agrees to them my reversions can be easily undone. --From Andoria with Love 20:30, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I've seen you revert a lot of edits, some that weren't even date changes, and a lot that were properly added. I really have a hard time seeing a point of trying to contribute here if all you do is revert. --Nero210 20:32, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I may have accidentally reverted items not related to your date changes since there were a lot of edits to go over (another reason why you need to use the preview button), and I'm trying to check now to see what changes I need to revert back. If you know of any specifically, please point them out so I can either correct them or, if I don't correct them, let you know why. --From Andoria with Love 20:36, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Crossovers

Ever read the TOS novel Ishmael? A crossover with the TV show "Here Come the Brides." This brings up a question that I have long had: why in creation has NOBODY ever done an on-screen crossover? It does not have to be canon; of course it cannot be. But just for fun, man! There are literally thousands of good fanfic crossover stories on the net: ST & Star Wars, ST & Babylon 5, ST & Battlestar Galactica, even ST & Lord of the Rings. Don't laugh, that one is actually quite good. Imagine Gandalf having met Q eons ago. Or the Founders actually being ancient enemies of the Elves who were defeated, left Middle Earth, wandered aimlessly until they ended up in the Gamma Quadrant and, in keeping with their desire to be worshipped as deities, formed the Dominion. There are even crossover fanfics between ST and "Forever Knight", that cult Canadian vampire show. That one actually makes a lot of sense; if vampires are immortal, then of course they would be around in the 24th century and beyond. How come nobody has ever done a crossover on-screen? As I said, not for canon, just for FUN? :) – Crimsondawn Talk yuh talk 23:55, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Flood flag for Recent changes?

Respectfully, would you consider temporarily assigning yourself the flood flag (if MA has that ability) or perhaps the bot flag when deleting dozens of IP user talks per minute? Recent Changes is less useful for looking at other edits otherwise.

I don't patrol for vandalism (thankfully, much less on MA) as much as I just look at recent edits for new content to read and occasionally copyedit. If you won't consider it (or it's technically unworkable), it's not a big thing (and I agree those completely automatically generated pages are annoying and unnecessary), but I thought I'd request it.

PS Good work. As a long-time lurker, I respect your contributions. Setacourse 07:08, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry for the flooding. I'm afraid we don't have a flood flag feature (that I know of). I chose now to delete all those pages because there were fewer edits being made to the site. I was also keeping an eye for vandalism. Normally I don't delete so many at one time, but like I said, there weren't many people editing and I'd like to clear out all those old IP talk pages soon (there are thousands left still). However, in the future, I will delete fewer of them within a short time so they don't clog up the recent changes as much. Sorry again for the inconvenience. Thanks for the compliment, though, I appreciate it. :) --From Andoria with Love 07:14, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the consideration, and you have very little to apologise for, since less people *are* editing at this time. :) I don't see discussion of a flood flag here either on a quick google, but would temp-assigning yourself the bot flag be feasible (so you could delete hundreds at a time with no RC footprint unless showing bot edits), or contravene the policy? (Not to nag, but just if it's an option) Setacourse 07:28, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I would imagine assigning my account a bot flag would be possible, though I believe I would need a bureaucrat to assign it. Since Cid is the only regularly active bureaucrat, I would have to wait for him to be online so he can assign me the bot flag and then remove it when I'm done editing for that time. I' don't think a regular administrator can set a bot flag, but if we can, please let me know how (if you know) and I will be sure to make all those deletions using a bot flag from now on. :) --From Andoria with Love 07:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Quick google says you're probably right. If MA doesn't have the flood flag, then an admin can't assign the bot flag. Setacourse 07:46, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think bot flags require even more than a bureaucrat, I think they need Wikia staff to assign them. When I was a bureaucrat on another Wikia wiki, I couldn't assign bot flags. --OuroborosCobra talk 07:48, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
If you took the time to wipe out the summary line, like I did/do, when you delete those, shran, the flooding is minimal and the rc looks neat and tidy. --Alan 16:56, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Good point. But who has that kind of time? :P Nah, I'll do that from now on. Assuming I remember. --From Andoria with Love 21:18, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shatnerquake

Not sure exactly what it is... but the name suggested that you might be interested.

http://jeffburk.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/download-shatnerquake-for-free-today-only/

Enjoy. -- sulfur 15:53, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

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