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Bloopers[]
Pretty sorely lacking in detail for a season end episode! In the fight between Worf and Garak, a piece of the background gets knocked out. Blooper? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.85.239.139.
- saw that, is there a blooper page?
- 79.97.72.13 11:43, September 24, 2009 (UTC) tba
Relevance to this episode[]
I removed two references to future events in Deep Space Nine due to their lack of relevance to this episode. The first was "This would ultimately lead to the decision to have the Cardassians join the Dominion in the episode 'By Inferno's Light'". The second was the full Section 31 reference, as it is based solely on presumptions drawn from an episode five seasons later and although relevant in terms of speculative events, is not relevant based on the actual things that happen in the show. These references were reverted by Ouroborous Cobra.
I am willing to concede the Section 31 paragraph, although is only marginally relevant and based purely on speculation. However, the paragraph about the Cardassians joining the Dominion serves absolutely no purpose in providing context to this episode and I believe that it should be removed. Being near the end of using Memory Alpha as a resource to watch the series run of DS9, the only issue that has hampered my use of it has been useless spoilers. Here I do not refer to necessary spoilers that come from the episode itself, as we are an encyclopedia and must not self-censor for that reason, but spoilers like this one littered throughout the background sections of Deep Space Nine's episode pages that are at times only incidentally related to the paragraph they are a part of and not at all relevant or necessary to further the readers' understanding of a certain issue.
If a reader has not yet watched By Inferno's Light, it will spoil them. If they have watched that episode or almost any episode after it, they will know that the Cardassians joined the Dominion, and either way, Cardassians joining the Dominion are not necessary to the point about the shift in tone back to Bajorans and Cardassians, as Cardassians could have been doing literally anything else and still satisfy the point made by the writers about the tone shift. I have re-removed this reference, and welcome debate.Teambates 10:51, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
- I think both statements should stay. When visiting any wiki about a TV show there is a certain presumption that there will be information about it that viewers will not have seen yet. If they are concerned about it, they should not view anything here. In the case of the virus statement, it directly references a plot element which arose in or near the time period of this episode. As that is factual information, it may stay. The reference to the Cardies can be backed up with evidence, and should stay. If it was someone merely assuming the writers did that, then it could be removed, but that is not the case here. --31dot 11:04, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
- The only Cardassian in the episode is Garak, and he is concerned primarily with finding Tain. What makes the Cardassians' decision to join the Dominion relevant to this episode? Teambates 18:39, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Odo to Defiant[]
When Odo is headed from the infirmiry to the Defiant why do they make him struggle to walk, why not just put him on a strecher? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.95.51.143.
- Talk pages are not really for general discussion, but I think that he wanted to walk.--31dot 10:11, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Agree: Odo doesn't want sympathy, and his conversation with Quark emphasizes his position that any weakness is only temporary. Odo's strength and reputation is a significant part of who he is, and he would insist on leaving the station under his own power if at all possible.Dalton Imperial 14:44, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Enough Detail Now?[]
I added a bit of detail and a few links to previous episodes in the summary: is it enough to remove the "Incomplete Summary" tag? Dalton Imperial 14:44, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Bashir almost throws a rock into the Sea of Changelings[]
When my dad and I were watching this episode, he noticed that Bashir tries to throw a rock at the Changelings, but Sisko stops him. Now what would have happened if Sisko hadn't stopped him? Huh?Sloantothebonehimself (talk) 17:39, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
- In the future, please post general plot questions at the Reference Desk, as article talk pages are intended to be used for discussing article changes only. Thanks 31dot (talk) 09:24, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Memorable Quotes?[]
Hi folks, I think that there are far too many "memorable quotes" listed here. According to my understanding, "memorable quotes" are meant to display rather short, humorous pieces of dialogue, not entire conversations which have taken place during the episode. My suggestion is to shorten the section and throw some of them - especially the longer pieces - out, since moving them to an own page would be too complicated an unnecessary. Sibelius84 (talk) 12:26, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
I have done a first edit of the page. I think it's better now, though still not really good. Sibelius84 (talk) 12:51, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me, although I would suggest if you are removing large chunks of text to copy them across to the talk page for reference. Other than that, good job. --| TrekFan Open a channel 00:27, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Yep, makes sense to me - I'll keep that in mind for the next pages to be tidied out ;-) Sibelius84 (talk) 19:45, May 4, 2014 (UTC) (also a StarTrek fan, of course)
Enough detail now? (2)[]
Hi folks, this page still has a "lacking detail" sign put up, but I think the summary is already pretty thorough and detailed - enough so to remove the sign? If not, in exactly which points is the summary still lacking detail? Sibelius84 (talk) 07:54, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
Missing on-screen credit for Director[]
Just re-watched this episode, and it seems that the on-screen "Directed by" credit is missing. I re-watched Act 1 three times with my eyes peeled, and it never showed up. I assume the name of the director for this entry came from press releases or other production information. Is it a big enough blooper to mention in the production section of the episode? Leaving the director's name off the credits seems like kind of a big deal--could even be a legal issue, if the director wanted to make a fuss about it (I assume he himself never noticed, either). David172.249.71.9 03:17, October 17, 2016 (UTC)
Kira Sneezing[]
"Two, three; I say she stops at seven." "I say eight. Mr. Worf?" (reluctantly) "Ten." (finally stops sneezing after eight sneezes) "I hate being pregnant." "I win." - Dax, Sisko, Kira, and Worf, while Kira sneezes
I counted seven... *rewatches scene* Yup... still seven. I'm perplexed as to why Sisko claims a win (and everyone agrees) after guessing wrong.– The preceding unsigned comment was added by Julie Bee (talk • contribs).
- Please note that article talk pages are for discussing article changes only, and are not meant for general discussion. Specific questions can be asked at the Reference Desk.31dot (talk) 02:05, December 21, 2016 (UTC)
Removed[]
Removed this uncited note as a nitpick:
- During the fight between Worf and Garak, actor Andrew Robinson accidentally broke open a Jefferies tube hatch set piece.
-- Compvox (talk) 18:56, February 24, 2018 (UTC)
Chuck Shanks' operations character[]
I don't understand how at first Chuck Shanks' Starfleet character is seen on the Defiant with Garak at one point, then is scene on the promenade on another, when Odo is escorted to the Defiant. Is it two separate characters or did the character just transport off the Defiant or something? SketchFan98 (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Is it cannon that Weyoun infected Odo in "To the Death"?[]
In the Continuity section it's mentioned that Weyoun infected Odo with a slap on the shoulder in "To the Death". The source of this is a note in the script. Specifically on page 54C of the script it says:
Weyoun looks at Odo for a beat, then gives him a good- natured clap on the shoulder. (In case anyone's interested, when he touches Odo, Weyoun is purposely infecting Odo with the disease that almost kills him in "BROKEN LINK.")
Is that parenthetical statement actually part of the original script? To me it seems like something added by whoever later released this script onto the internet. It really doesn't seem like something that'd be in the original script, especially considering that this likely came before "Broken Link" was finished. Or perhaps it wasn't in the original shooting script, but this edit did come from the DS9 writing staff. Are there other statements like this in other scripts? Or anyone know the story of how all these scripts made it onto the internet in the first place? Varenhizzles (talk)
- There is no story. This script originally appeared in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion - A Series Guide and Script Library and the original text files were uploaded to the internet. The end. --Gvsualan (talk) 00:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
So my question then: Is the parenthetical statement part of the original script, as written by the script's authors, or was it added afterwards by the staff putting together Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion - A Series Guide and Script Library for release onto a CD? It feels like an addition to me, in which case the question is how authoritative is that statement? Could have been added by an intern digitizing the old scripts for release, perhaps manually since this was 1999, or it could be a more authoritative comment from the writing staff. Or it could have actually been part of the original production script, though that would surprise me. Any ideas? Varenhizzles (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm answering your first question only: Yes. Clearly you haven't read the story and script sections, et al, of this page, which clearly indicate that there was a "plan" on setting up the finale. Given the short span of time between these episodes, the rest of what you are asking is far more unrealistic than what can be extrapolated from the facts that are otherwise presented. --Gvsualan (talk) 01:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
I did read all the other notes. Besides what I've mentioned, I didn't see anything else that made me think the writers intended for Weyoun's pat on Odo to be the point where he was infected. I see lots of discussion about the plan for setting up the finale, but not the particular detail on how Odo gets infected. It's not obvious to me that one implies the other. If you look at the page history there seems to be some discussion about it in the past.
You did inspire me to go deeper on this, and I found this reference from a 1999 AOL chat:
<<Ron, I read on the boards that there was a scene in "To the Death" in which Weyoun somehow slipped Odo some virus that eventually resulted in his having to return to the Link in "Broken Link." I read that this ended up on the cutting room floor. Is this true or just a wild rumor?>> It's just a rumor.
It seems like Ronald D. Moore is explicitly saying that there wasn't a dropped scene showing Odo being infected. Which to me would also imply there was no intention by the writers of "To the Death" that this was the point of infection. Maybe I'm interpretting things wrong, but it certainly raises questions to me. I'm not trying to die on this hill, but I do think there's a reasonable amount of room for discussion. Varenhizzles (talk) 01:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Or is he saying that the scene ending up on the cutting room floor was the rumor? In other words... the scene where Weyoun infects Odo was never cut, and we saw it... when Weyoun slapped Odo on the back. :) -- Renegade54 (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually we didn't. The shot was so close on Weyoun's face you couldn't see anything other than that. –Gvsualan (talk) 17:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)